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Reply #15 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 9:40pm

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Haven't you noticed just how much trouble the world is in, and how most of the conflict is centred around the middle east? If Israel didn't exist in the middle east as a Jewish state, and the west didn't support them militarily, we would live in a much safer environment.

I don't think that if Israel didn't exist suicide bombers would stop killing Jews, Christians, Buddists, Hindus, Atheists, Pagans, Muslims, etc.. because they still would have the book of false prophesies to wank on proverbial virgins.

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Reply #16 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 9:48pm

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 9:25pm:

Of course they wouldn't help the Aborigines, it was just an example of overwhelming firepower used to force a regime change. Like what happened with Israel.

What nonsense. There was no 'regime change', there was no Palestinian regime. BMP was under British rule, and they left voluntarily. The only overwhelming firepower was something like 8 Arabic countries that attacked the poorly armed and trained citizens army of holocaust survivors in Israel, who kicked the Arab's collective asses. There were no US troops or UK troops helping them. They did it by themselves.

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Britain would not help us. America would, only because of Pine Gap. Even then, they'd try and work their way out of it

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I'm not even remotely worried by external enemies. The only group that could invade Australia is China, and even then it would have to go through all the other psychos in Asia first to get to us. Its not a realistic outcome. We neither need the US nor anyone to defend us.

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By the way, when was the last Jewish prophet? I think God has slightly abandoned the Jews.

If you believe in God. He kind of went the way of the tooth fairy and santa for me once I was about 12.

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Haven't you noticed just how much trouble the world is in, and how most of the conflict is centred around the middle east? If Israel didn't exist in the middle east as a Jewish state, and the west didn't support them militarily, we would live in a much safer environment.

No we wouldnt. Islam has been attacking Europe since shortly after the time of Mohammed. And there was no Israel then.

The Barbary Pirates were attacking the USA in the 1780s. Thomas Jefferson met with their diplomats and asked them, why is it that you attack the USA, when we are a new country that have done nothing to you? Here is what Jefferson told Congress he said:

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As Jefferson later reported to the State Department and Congress, "The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners".

Sound familiar? No US foreign policy to blame. No Israel to blame. Just the Koran, saying the same stuff then that it still says today. Even back then, there were 'misunderstanders of the true message of the Religion of Peace.'

Initially as dhimmis, Congress decided to pay protection money to the Barbary Pirates. Eventually, they sent in the US Marine Corps to the capital Tripoli, and wiped them out. That was the end of the Barbary Pirates. Thats where you get the words of the Marine Fight song 'to the shores of Tripoli.'

[Oops, should have posted my source:

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/keith-ellison-attempts-to-rewrite.html ]

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6035	Re: Zionism Reply #17 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 9:53pm Calanen's post above confirmed
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Reply #18 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:10pm

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What nonsense. There was no 'regime change', there was no Palestinian regime. BMP was under British rule, and they left voluntarily. The only overwhelming firepower was something like 8 Arabic countries that attacked the poorly armed and trained citizens army of holocaust survivors in Israel, who kicked the Arab's collective asses. There were no US troops or UK troops helping them. They did it by themselves.

There was a regime change. Before the Zionists had control of the area, someone else did.

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I'm not even remotely worried by external enemies. The only group that could invade Australia is China, and even then it would have to go through all the other psychos in Asia first to get to us. Its not a realistic outcome. We neither need the US nor anyone to defend us.

I am slightly concerned. But, that has nothing to do with much. The point I was trying to get across was in regards to forced political power restructuring that goes against the wishes of the vast majority.

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If you believe in God. He kind of went the way of the tooth fairy and santa for me once I was about 12.

Yes, if you believe in God. Which the Jews do, seeing as they have a religious country set up with religious laws, which might have something to do with why they wanted to return to that part of the world anyway.

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No we wouldnt. Islam has been attacking Europe since shortly after the time of Mohammed. And there was no Israel then.

The Barbary Pirates were attacking the USA in the 1780s. Thomas Jefferson met with their diplomats and asked them, why is it that you attack the USA, when we are a new country that have done nothing to you? Here is what Jefferson told Congress he said:

I didn't say the Muslims would not be attacking us, I said the world would be much safer. Especially if we didn't go around invading majority Muslim countries using false intelligence, and providing Israel with weaponry and allowing them to break international law, like what the USA does.

I believe you when you post, you are coherent and make sense. You don't have to source. If I don't believe you I'll go check.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6035	Re: Zionism Reply #19 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:21pm Zionism is mostly secular movement that's why they are so much better then islamism. But even assuming that muslims are right about Allah willing everything we come to inevitable conclusion that Allah abandoned muslims and supported jews the way they kick muslim bottoms despite of vast numerical superiority of muslims.
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Reply #20 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:45pm

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 9:25pm:

Haven't you noticed just how much trouble the world is in, and how most of the conflict is centred around the middle east? If Israel didn't exist in the middle east as a Jewish state, and the west didn't support them militarily, we would live in a much safer environment.

It must be the bloody-minded viking oppressing whitey in me but I do support the jews. If they can't have that sliver of turf, then nobody has a right to any real estate. Not even the aborigines, blow-ins they are from whenever.

The Muslims have major ideological and religious problem with the very existence of the jews. Quiet-lifers like you will rather feed the jews to them than pull them up and say to them that enough is enough, back off or smack off.

So in that sense yes, we would have a quieter life if we gave in to the re-primitivisers of the world. But for this mortal that's just ain't right and the quiet life option looks just cowardly.

I am with the jews. (Can I say that?)

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Zionism Reply #21 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:47pm I used to support the Jewish state of Israel.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6035	Re: Zionism Reply #22 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:10pm I used to be indifferent but now I support Israel against enemies of humanity.
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Reply #23 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:24pm

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:47pm:

I used to support the Jewish state of Israel.

And what happened? They stood up for themselves?

The palestinians are stupid on many accounts but to my mind the worst of their stupidity is not to recognise the bonanza they have with the jews in the neighbourhood, keen to help with setting up a functioning and prosperous and independent state - the only ultimate interest the jews have in the palestinians - yet these stupid idiots wouldd rather shoot each other for another generation or 10 than grasp what a godsent it is for them to have the jews as their 'oppressors'. They could be occupied by the Belgians or the Russians or Sudanese, god help them.

Any other semi-sane people would grasp that much. What revents the palestinians, apaart from decades long psychosis and Muslim manipulation? Take a guess. Come on, take a wild guess, Mr Used-to-be-with-israel-but-something-happened.

Have you ever taken the next step in your thought experiment about abandoning Israel? I invite you to go to Jerusalem and don a yarmulke on the day Israel is abolished. i

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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Zionism Reply #24 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:24pm How do we know Israel isn't an enemy of humanity?
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Reply #25 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:29pm

Soren wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:24pm:

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:47pm:

I used to support the Jewish state of Israel.

And what happened? They stood up for themselves?

The palestinians are stupid on many accounts but to my mind the worst of their stupidity is not to recognise the bonanza they have with the jews in the neighbourhood, keen to help with setting up a functioning and prosperous and independent state - the only ultimate interest the jews have in the palestinians - yet these stupid idiots wouldd rather shoot each other for another generation or 10 than grasp what a godsent it is for them to have the jews as their 'oppressors'. They could be occupied by the Belgians or the Russians or Sudanese, god help them.

Any other semi-sane people would grasp that much. What revents the palestinians, apaart from decades long psychosis and Muslim manipulation? Take a guess. Come on, take a wild guess, Mr Used-to-be-with-israel-but-something-happened.

Have you ever taken the next step in your thought experiment about abandoning Israel? I invite you to go to Jerusalem and don a yarmulke on the day Israel is abolished. i

I don't know if it's true, but I have heard from more than one Lebanese Christian (from Lebanon), who don't know each other, without being prompted, that in Palestine there are worship centres where Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray together. Never seen that on the news. Never been there either, so it might be lies.

Not to mention, these Christians, who would be slightly persecuted by Muslims, have an immense dislike for Israel. This was before the most recent war between Israel and Lebanon.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Zionism Reply #26 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:30pm easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:24pm: How do we know Israel isn't an enemy of humanity? How do we know Syria, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Bahrain, Omar, Venezuela, New Zealand (!), Denmark (!!!), Malta, Lichtenstein aren't? Or you? Or me?
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Reply #27 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:40pm

We truly don't do we? That's the hard part. I suppose when you can confirm evil you should oppose it, but until it is confirmed to you, you can't believe the spin put out these days. There's too much of it. I'm still not convinced Iran and Venezuela are as bad as we are told, no I don't think they're run by angels either.

I think if they never made suggestions about selling oil for Euro's, they'd not be in the situation they are now though. Poor US dollar, artificially kept stable by the fact oil has to (or at least used to) be traded with it.

If they didn't do that and were left alone, makes you wonder why their 'evil actions' were so loudly condemned once they did. Maybe anti-humanist dollar hungry psychos only care about their bank balances and nothing else, and when they saw it might be in trouble, decided to appeal to the average person and their still intact humanity.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6035	Re: Zionism Reply #28 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:44pm easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:24pm: How do we know Israel isn't an enemy of humanity? "the nemy of my enemy is my friend"
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Reply #29 - Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:44pm

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:29pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:24pm:

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 10:47pm:

I used to support the Jewish state of Israel.

And what happened? They stood up for themselves?

The palestinians are stupid on many accounts but to my mind the worst of their stupidity is not to recognise the bonanza they have with the jews in the neighbourhood, keen to help with setting up a functioning and prosperous and independent state - the only ultimate interest the jews have in the palestinians - yet these stupid idiots wouldd rather shoot each other for another generation or 10 than grasp what a godsent it is for them to have the jews as their 'oppressors'. They could be occupied by the Belgians or the Russians or Sudanese, god help them.

Any other semi-sane people would grasp that much. What revents the palestinians, apaart from decades long psychosis and Muslim manipulation? Take a guess. Come on, take a wild guess, Mr Used-to-be-with-israel-but-something-happened.

Have you ever taken the next step in your thought experiment about abandoning Israel? I invite you to go to Jerusalem and don a yarmulke on the day Israel is abolished.

I don't know if it's true, but I have heard from more than one Lebanese Christian (from Lebanon), who don't know each other, without being prompted, that in Palestine there are worship centres where Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray together. Never seen that on the news. Never been there either, so it might be lies.

Not to mention, these Christians, who would be slightly persecuted by Muslims, have an immense dislike for Israel. This was before the most recent war between Israel and Lebanon.

What are you saying?

Yes, people of the jewsih persuasion can get up your nose, my nose, everyone's noses. So what? Have you never met any other kind of pain in the arse? Or are all the jews pains in the arse? Just by being jews? have they cornered one more market, that of being pains in the arse?
Hey, here's my anecdotal evidence - i have met jews and christians who are very much for israel as a country and as an idea. I have even met bastards who like jews. These buggers reckon that the jews have put enough on the table for humanity to make a claim on a sliver of ancestral land.

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