I have no issue with Jews, just the Jewish state of Israel. I have had many deep, intellectual conversations with a Jewish-law observing ex-Rabbi.

He doesn't like the state of Israel either.

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I was trying to say it's not Jews I have a problem with.

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:51pm:


I know some Australians who are loosers and don't like Australia.

Calanen wrote on Dec 6^th, 2008 at 5:28am:


Because of where it gets its' funding and support.

Where islamist terrorists get their funding from "that is the question" that should be asked by reality minded people.

Soren wrote on Dec 6^th, 2008 at 7:52pm:


The middle easterners are pretty crazy, in the middle east, excluding international terrorist groups. The USA government is pretty crazy, to a more brutal extent, the world over. The things the Israeli government, as well as the US government do are inhumane, there is no doubt about that.

Israel isn't that much of a great country, sure it is beautiful to look at and modern, but if you aren't Jewish you are going to get the short end of the stick over there. Government sanctioned discrimination, in 2008. Yes I know, they all do it over there, doesn't mean a country that does should receive weapons and support for essentially nothing from world super powers.

I'm not really that dirty on Bush. He doesn't really plan things out, he just gives them the ok to go ahead.

easel wrote on Dec 5^th, 2008 at 11:29pm:





easel,

Your supposition above, sounds to me like yet more disinformation, being practised against those 'evil Zionists'.

But let me ask you,
If the Christians in Lebanon were told [by muslims, and by the mainstream media] that Israelis had bombed, and destroyed Christian villages, and if the Lebanese Christians could verify that fact,
....but the actual circumstances [of those facts] were not revealed to the Lebanese Christian community,
....would that perhaps explain the claimed Lebanese Christian 'immense dislike' for Israelis???


article...

August 1, 2006
Hezbollah is Using Christian Villages to Shield its Military Operations in Violation of International Law
....."Hezbollah is repeating the same pattern.....hiding among civilian populations and launching attacks behind human shields."
......A Christian from the village of Ain Ebel, who is nameless because he fears retribution by Hezbollah, discovered Hezbollah guerillas were setting up a launcher to fire Katyusha rockets from the rooftop of his home. Ignoring his pleas to stop, they fired the missiles. He immediately gathered his family and fled home, which indeed was bombed and destroyed 15 minutes later by an Israeli air strike.
http://www.dhimmi.com/ConflictinLebanon.htm


During the conflict in 2006, Hezbollah placed its rockets [being fired at Israel] among its [own] perceived enemies in southern Lebanon - unarmed Christian communities.

Thereby, Hezbollah is able to weaken and destroy Christian communities within Lebanon, using the Israelis as Hezbollah proxies.

It was clever, and it was evil.

Yet these type of facts are not revealed, in the mainstream media, and with those who hate Israel / Jews / Christians.

Why not?

Duh!
....its a war of attrition,
....where on the muslim side, TRUTH is less important, than outcomes.

'Israeli treatment of Palestinians'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229690857/137#137




easel said,
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easel said,
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easel,

I'm glad that you feel happy to make such sweeping statements.

And, i can tell you that Paul was one of the last Jewish prophets [see Romans, below].
...he's the one who 'saw the light' on the road to Damascus.

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: *and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced*, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zechariah 13:1  In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.


Jeremiah 23:6
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
7  Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
8  But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.


Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27  For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28  As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: *but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes*.


Isaiah 59:20
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21  As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.


Psalms 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.


Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

No one should presume that God is finished with Israel, or the Jews, just yet!

easel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2008 at 2:26pm:



easel,

What rights do Jews have within Sharia jurisdictions in the M.E.?

How many Jews live in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc?

What rights do they enjoy?



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easel,

There is reference within the OT, prophesying that the children of Israel [only identifiable as Jews today] would suffer, for breaking their covenant with God.

But that God would redeem all of his ppl.

Deuteronomy 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27  And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28  And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29  But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30  When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31  (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.



I can't recall that Jesus said that Jews would 'be condemned by all for ages because of what they did to him'.

I believe that assertion is incorrect.




BUT,

Jesus was a Jew.

He *is* the Jewish messiah.

Jesus Christ, is the *atonement sacrifice* for Jews.

The wilderness tabernacle and sacrifice laws were set up, to prefigure Jesus, as the perfect atonement 'type'.

Exodus 12:5
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
6  And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
7  And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

Leviticus 16:15
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16  And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.


Read about how this relates to Jesus further, in....

Hebrews 9 & 10



John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



And Judah [Jews] do share the blood of the atonement sacrifice....

The Jews called out to Pilate....

Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27  For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28  As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: *but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes*.
29  For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30  For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31  Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32  For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.






All this 'atonement for sin', and 'blood sacrifice', sounds a little weird to us today.

But if you study the Bible, eventually you will understand, these things are allegories and 'types', which explain our spiritual redemption.

We can live in the world, or we can search for God.

That is God's great commission for us.

To seek him.

But most ppl are more interested in the world,
.....to eat, drink, and be merry.

And it is the season to be jolly, isn't it?


Ecclesiastes 8:15
Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry.....


Matthew 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,