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Re: Zionism
Reply #45 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 4:55pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 7^th, 2008 at 4:34pm:

easel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2008 at 2:26pm:

Interesting Yadda.

Doesn't it say in the OT something along the lines of all men are created equal? Yet the Israeli government supports segregation and different rights for non Jews?

easel,

What rights do Jews have within Sharia jurisdictions in the M.E.?

How many Jews live in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc?

What rights do they enjoy?

easel,

This isn't to suggest that i believe that 'Palestinians' living within Israel are mistreated.

Far from it.

Example....

DISSENT CRUSHED
WHY MUSLIMS RARELY SPEAK OUT, EVEN IN U.S.
November 19, 2006
MUSLIMS are often accused of not speaking out sufficiently against terrorism. Nonie Darwish knows one reason why: Their fellow Muslims won't let them.
Darwish, who comes from Egypt and was born and raised a Muslim, was set to tell students at Brown University about the twisted hatred and radicalism she grew to despise in her own culture. A campus Jewish group, Hillel, had contacted her to speak there Thursday.
But the event was just called off.
Muslim students had complained that Darwish was "too controversial." They insisted she be denied a platform at Brown, and after contentious debate Hillel agreed.
......From her childhood in the '50s, she's seen seething animosity toward Jews, Israel, America and non-believers generally pervert her culture. "I asked myself, as a Muslim Arab child, was I ever taught peace? The answer is no. We learned just the opposite: honor and pride can only come from jihad and martyrdom."
In elementary schools in Gaza, where she lived until age 8, Darwish learned "vengeance and retaliation. Peace," she says, "was considered a sign of defeat and weakness."
An event in 1996 inflamed her longstanding frustration with her community. Her brother suffered a stroke while in Gaza, and his Egyptian friends and relatives all agreed: To save his life, he needed to go to Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem, not to Cairo. Even though they had spent their lives demeaning Israelis - and boasting of Arab supremacy.
Hadassah saved her brother's life; understandably, her appreciation for Jews and Israelis grew. Today Darwish preaches not only the almost embarrassing lengths to which Jews go to seek dialogue and peace, but also their cultural, political, scientific and economic contributions.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11192006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/dissent_crushed_...

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Reply #46 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 5:11pm

Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy/support for Sharia. That extends to Zionism also.

I'm trying to approach the issue on religious grounds, more so than political/factional grounds. And the state of Israel breaks the rules they are supposed to follow in the establishment of a religious country.

I'm going to try and interpret your various references, please tell me what you think of this.

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Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: *and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced*, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

So a house has been opened to the people who live in Jerusalem where they can sin and be unclean? Is this OT stuff or prophecy?

Aren't Christians supposed to be more NT, seeing as Jesus was a fulfilment of the old law?

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Reply #47 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 6:12pm

easel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2008 at 5:11pm:

Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy/support for Sharia. That extends to Zionism also.

I'm trying to approach the issue on religious grounds, more so than political/factional grounds. And the state of Israel breaks the rules they are supposed to follow in the establishment of a religious country.

I'm going to try and interpret your various references, please tell me what you think of this.

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Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: *and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced*, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

So a house has been opened to the people who live in Jerusalem where they can sin and be unclean? Is this OT stuff or prophecy?

Aren't Christians supposed to be more NT, seeing as Jesus was a fulfilment of the old law?

easel,

You are trying to do this exactly wrong.

To learn from the Bible, we should read the Bible ourselves, and let the spirit within us, guide us in understanding what it 'means'.

If you want to be a student of the Bible, then simply read it.

You don't need ppl to guide you.

And i'm not setting up a church.

You should simply let God's spirit guide, and show you, that which the spirit wants to reveal to you.

If you want to start reading the Bible i would suggest to starting reading, at either the gospel of John, or at the Psalms.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Zionism Reply #48 - Dec 7^th, 2008 at 6:16pm Well then my interpretation of that passage is that Jerusalem has been taken over by sinners and unclean people and they are under guise of purity and 'chosen ones'.
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Re: Zionism
Reply #49 - Dec 8^th, 2008 at 6:00am

easel wrote on Dec 7^th, 2008 at 6:16pm:

Well then my interpretation of that passage is that Jerusalem has been taken over by sinners and unclean people and they are under guise of purity and 'chosen ones'.

Your interpretation is wrong.

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Reply #50 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 11:44am

I use to be a Zionist, then I got older and realized The Jews don't do anything for anyone but demand this and that..

Isralites are a bane unto everybody. The world would probably be a better place to live without them. The Muslims Holy Land would be their's, and thus they wouldn't be butthurting, there would've never been Nazis and thus nobody to compare us too to make us look like evil sons a bitches, and America would not be the declaring all these wars, bullying the world because their slut of a girlfriend Isral told them too.

I laughed so hard at American Dad when Stan was forced by that terrorist to dress as Isral and Uncle Sam and makeout lol! I even knew a Jewish girl who looked like that. Grin

You could call it bad expriences, but I don't trust Jews. Every one I've met has betrayed and lied to me. Jewish religion apparently cares more about eating ham then being an upstanding person.. What else I don't like is this false notion that they are a race. They are a religion, (Judaism) occupying enough territory to be a nation (Isral). But that does not make them a race. Is Canada a race of people? Is Wiccan a race of people?

I wouldn't go as far as to say crush Irsral, but I'd definitely consider shaking hands with Muslim occupants and forming an alliance. In return for peace, we'll step aside and let them bomb Isralites back to hell. If they are God's chosen people, then they don't need any of us to defend them.

My other disdain for Isral combined with my sense of humor made me yell in my head "WHY DO JEWS SPARKLE?!"

That'll make sense if any of you read Twilight lol!

EDIT: lol! I just told that one to James..

Jim: Why do Jews sparkle?!
James: All the gold they ingest.. duh..
Jim: Grin

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Reply #51 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 5:06pm

Jim- try to keep your anti-semitism down to a low roar in here. it's not welcome.

I have jewish friends and I don't appreciate you suggesting that the world would be better if jews never existed.

perhaps the world would be better if people like hitler never existed- maybe then there would never have been nazis. did you ever think of that?

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Re: Zionism
Reply #52 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 5:54pm

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perhaps the world would be better if people like hitler never existed- maybe then there would never have been nazis. did you ever think of that?

Maybe it would've. Maybe it wouldn't have. I think the nazis did lots of great things, but if you want to believe the world would be a better place without them, that's your business.

You don't see me telling you to not to express your outrage of them. Why? Because obviously you got reasons to hate the nazis.

So hate them. That's what being human is all about. Hating, loving, living, dying..

Give into your hatred... lol!

I see a pattern though that "acceptable targets" always seem to be forces that were opposed to Jews at one point or another.

The Nazis, The Communists, The Muslims.

Noone seems to care when people hate them. What makes them so evil? They're just religions/political ideologies.

Hell, The Spanish Inquisition was far more brutal and oppressive then The Nazis. But if I call someone an Inquisition. They'd just look at me like I was retarded.

Or quote Monty Python.

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Re: Zionism
Reply #53 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 6:35pm

well I certainly don't hate muslims so you're wrong on that account

I don't mind you expressing outrage- but I won't put up with religion or people bashing. so your anti-semitic jokes etc - aren't cool

and the difference between bashing the nazis and the jews is that the nazis were inherent to a plan of religious genocide- whereas the jews just happened to be there

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Zionism Reply #54 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 7:54pm There were few zionist terrorists but by far not as many as there are islamist terrorists. Plus why did islamists terrorist in Mumbai have tortured people before killing them?
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Zionism Reply #55 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:16pm stay on topic please
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Zionism Reply #56 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:33pm Gaybriel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:16pm: stay on topic please Does muslim terrorism have nothing to do with zionist response?
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Zionism Reply #57 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:35pm tallowood wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:33pm: Gaybriel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:16pm: stay on topic please Does muslim palestinian terrorism have nothing to do with zionist response? you were talking about mumbai
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Re: Zionism
Reply #58 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:52pm

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:35pm:

tallowood wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:33pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:16pm:

stay on topic please

Does muslim palestinian terrorism have nothing to do with zionist response?

you were talking about mumbai

Why did muslim terrorists in Mumbai attacked Israeli targets and torture before killing them.
I try to find out if it was due to muslem hatred of zionizm or just muslem hatred of jews.

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Zionism Reply #59 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 9:00pm aaaha! sorry I understand now
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