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Islamic Youth Movement radical since the 70's
Dec 11^th, 2008 at 9:18am

Been commenting on the IY for years...
Sheik Feiz Mohammad dumped as leader of Sydney youth
By Joe Hildebrand

December 11, 2008 12:00am

AN extremist Muslim sheik who encourages his followers to kill themselves for their religion has been dumped as the main spiritual leader of a Sydney youth centre.

The move comes amid revelations that he is still preaching his extremist message via a number of online forums - scotching claims that he has renounced his hardline views.

Yesterday, Sheik Feiz Mohammad was hurriedly sidelined by the Global Islamic Youth Centre as the spiritual leader young people should go to for religious guidance after The Daily Telegraph revealed that the centre was planning a massive expansion in Sydney's southwest.

Teach the children - Sheik's vile lesson of hatred

The GIYC has plans for a $6 million "prayer, learning and sporting" facility in Liverpool.

The centre is designed to cater for a growing population of Muslims in the area, estimated to double to 20,000 in the next decade.

It has already raised $700,000 towards a $1 million land purchase.

Sheik Feiz was recognised on the prospectus for the centre as the prominent spiritual leader for the proposed youth facility.

Audio: Hear the sheik's rantings

But, as of yesterday, visitors to the GIYC website have been given the choice between Sheik Feiz and another sheik, Abu Adnan, whose name now appears first and whose email address is now set as the default.

The director of the centre Zunaid Moosa declined to speak to The Daily Telegraph yesterday, although several supporters rang to defend Sheik Feiz and claim his comments were taken out of context and made years ago.

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However, The Daily Telegraph has uncovered evidence the sheik is still encouraging young Muslims to sacrifice their lives for their religion and warns all non-believers will die.

A series of Sheik Feiz's lectures on Ramadan have been posted on the Muslim website Halal Tube as recently as September. Despite the subject being the Muslim holy month, the sheik still opens the Q&A session with a passionate exhortation of how "beautiful" it is to die for Allah.

"This is fighting, this is sacrificing your life. Reflect (on this)," he tells the audience, before quoting holy warriors addressing Mohammad.

" 'Whatever you command, oh prophet of Allah, we shall obey . . . We are not scared to face the enemy tomorrow . . .' What a beautiful statement. They love death more than life because they know death is better for them than living."

Source: The Daily Telegraph

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Reply #1 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 9:55am

The bigest problem with this story is that he was born here, so we can't deport him.
There in lies the problem,a lot of these extremists are born and bred aussies but they hate the non muslim population and they hate our freedoms, so why dont they go and live in a muslim country? well for starters they get it too good here and secondly many of them have thoughts of turning Australia into a muslim country, be afraid be very afraid.

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Reply #2 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 10:53am

Thought he was Lebanese actually, if he holds dual citizenship, he should be gone. Gotta agree with you there Skip, what do we do with home grown ratbags... even if "he" wasn't born here the government is spineless re deportation most of the time anyway.
It is up to the Muslim community to ignore him and not recognise him as a Sheik or Imam or whatever he thinks he is.

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Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2008 at 10:49pm

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It is up to the Muslim community to ignore him and not recognise him as a Sheik or Imam or whatever he thinks he is.

They might pretend to do that when they see we are upset, but its only for show. Why do you think they made him the leader in the first place? Because they hated him? Do you think that newspaper journalists would be more or *less* aware of his teachings, than say, his own damn followers!

And why would the muslim community reject him - his teachings are just ordinary everyday garden variety Islam. Slay the unbelievers in jihad, install sharia law through jihad, destroy all infidels and infidel governments, create an Islamic state wherever there are muslims and fight until you have that.

That's not radical Islam, that's just Islam. Of course, most clueless westerners dont know that.

But they all will - soon enough.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #5 - Dec 14^th, 2008 at 6:54pm

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Slay the unbelievers in jihad, install sharia law through jihad, destroy all infidels and infidel governments, create an Islamic state wherever there are muslims and fight until you have that.

Now let's change the players:

Slay the muslims in crusades, install democratic law through crusades, destroy all muslims and muslim governments, create a democratic state wherever there are non-muslims and fight until you have that.

And voila we actually have something that reflects the reality. This is exactly what Western/Democratic/Secular governments have been doing in Muslim countries for well over a century now.

Stop peddling this whimsical imaginary tripe about Muslims trying to dominate the world through armed force, this is what the Western/Secular/Democratic governments have been doing for ages, long before one single Islamic resistance movement was even dreamed of. You're actually projecting your own evil deeds in the world onto others, as it's the best cover.

The reality speaks for itself though. Check the list of countries America has invaded/bombed since WWII, you'll find quite a few Muslim countries in there, and all long before any Islamic resistance movements were even heard of. You might believe your own garbage, but anyone with half an iota of grey matter packed into his cranium certainly would not.

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Reply #7 - Dec 14^th, 2008 at 9:46pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 14^th, 2008 at 6:54pm:

Quote:

Slay the unbelievers in jihad, install sharia law through jihad, destroy all infidels and infidel governments, create an Islamic state wherever there are muslims and fight until you have that.

Now let's change the players:

Slay the muslims in crusades, install democratic law through crusades, destroy all muslims and muslim governments, create a democratic state wherever there are non-muslims and fight until you have that.

And voila we actually have something that reflects the reality. This is exactly what Western/Democratic/Secular governments have been doing in Muslim countries for well over a century now.

Stop peddling this whimsical imaginary tripe about Muslims trying to dominate the world through armed force, this is what the Western/Secular/Democratic governments have been doing for ages, long before one single Islamic resistance movement was even dreamed of. You're actually projecting your own evil deeds in the world onto others, as it's the best cover.

The reality speaks for itself though. Check the list of countries America has invaded/bombed since WWII, you'll find quite a few Muslim countries in there, and all long before any Islamic resistance movements were even heard of. You might believe your own garbage, but anyone with half an iota of grey matter packed into his cranium certainly would not.

Let's change places as well.
How long an infidel saying things like this would last in a muslim country like Saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran?

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Re: Islamic Youth Movement radical since the 70's
Reply #8 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 4:58pm

tallowood wrote on Dec 14^th, 2008 at 9:46pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 14^th, 2008 at 6:54pm:

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Slay the unbelievers in jihad, install sharia law through jihad, destroy all infidels and infidel governments, create an Islamic state wherever there are muslims and fight until you have that.

Now let's change the players:

Slay the muslims in crusades, install democratic law through crusades, destroy all muslims and muslim governments, create a democratic state wherever there are non-muslims and fight until you have that.

And voila we actually have something that reflects the reality. This is exactly what Western/Democratic/Secular governments have been doing in Muslim countries for well over a century now.

Stop peddling this whimsical imaginary tripe about Muslims trying to dominate the world through armed force, this is what the Western/Secular/Democratic governments have been doing for ages, long before one single Islamic resistance movement was even dreamed of. You're actually projecting your own evil deeds in the world onto others, as it's the best cover.

The reality speaks for itself though. Check the list of countries America has invaded/bombed since WWII, you'll find quite a few Muslim countries in there, and all long before any Islamic resistance movements were even heard of. You might believe your own garbage, but anyone with half an iota of grey matter packed into his cranium certainly would not.

Let's change places as well.
How long an infidel saying things like this would last in a muslim country like Saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran?

so now you're looking to emulate the behaviour of saudi arabia?

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