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Fears of unrest spreading across Europe
Dec 16th, 2008 at 8:00pm
 
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Fears of unrest spreading across Europe

Published Date: 13 December 2008
By Paul Haven and Daniel Flynn

THE unrest that has gripped Greece this week is spilling into the rest of Europe, raising concerns that it could be a trigger for opponents of globalisation, disaffected youth and others outraged by economic turmoil.
Protesters in Spain, Denmark and Italy smashed shop windows, pelted police with bottles and attacked banks this week, while in France cars were set ablaze on Thursday outside the Greek consulate in Bordeaux, where protesters warned about a looming "insurrection".

At least some of the protests were organised over the internet. One website Greek protesters use to update each other on the locations of clashes asserted there have been sympathy protests in nearly 20 countries.

But the clashes have been nothing like the scope of the chaos in Greece, which was triggered by the police killing of a teenager last Saturday and has ballooned into nightly scenes of burning street barricades, looted stores and overturned cars. Nevertheless, authorities in Europe worry conditions are ripe for the contagion to spread.

As Europe plunges into recession, unemployment is rising, particularly among the young. Even before the crisis, European youths complained about difficulty finding well-paid jobs – even with a university degree.

"Look what is going on in Greece," Nicolas Sarkozy, the president of France, told members of his UMP party this week, rejecting budget proposals that would have cushioned the wealthy from losses.

With memories fresh of weeks of rioting in 2005, Mr Sarkozy expressed concern that the anti-government backlash could spread to France: "The French love it when I'm in a carriage with Carla, but at the same time they've guillotined a king."

At the Athens Polytechnic, where many of the protesters are based, Konstantinos Sakkas, 23, said: "We're encouraging non- violent action. What these are abroad are spontaneous expressions of solidarity."

Internet sites and blogs have popped up to spread the call to protest. In Spain, Nodo50.org, an anti-globalisation website, greeted visitors with the headline "State Assassin, Police Executioners" and told them of rallies in Barcelona and Madrid.

At the Independent Media Centre, photos and video of the Greek demonstrations were uploaded and plans were listed for "upcoming solidarity actions" in London, Edinburgh and Berlin.

"What's happening in Greece tends to prove that the extreme left exists, contrary to doubts of some," said a French interior ministry spokesman. But, he added, the coming weeks would determine whether "there's a danger of contagion of the Greek situation into France".

One rally outside the Greek embassy in Rome turned violent on Wednesday, while in Copenhagen, protesters pelted riot police with bottles and paint.

In Spain, youths in Madrid and Barcelona attacked banks, shops and a police station. Eleven people were arrested at the two rallies, which drew about 200 protesters.

Daniel Lostao, president of the Youth Council, an umbrella organisation, said young people in Spain faced daunting challenges – soaring unemployment, low salaries and difficulty in leaving the family nest because of expensive housing. But he doubted the protests in Spain would grow. "We do not have the feeling that this is going to spread."

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GREECE'S headline rate of unemployment – 7.4 per cent in September – is just below the eurozone average.

The key factor, however, is unemployment among those aged 15 to 24, which is 22 per cent.

"Young Greeks up to the age of 35, make up a silent majority of overworked, underpaid, debt-ridden and insecure citizens," said Generation 700 Euros, a group defending the 56 per cent of Greeks under 30 earning that amount a month.


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Re: Fears of unrest spreading across Europe
Reply #1 - Dec 16th, 2008 at 9:43pm
 
Overpopulation is the reason.
They should take clue from Australian coppers and shoot, shoot, shoot. Considering the density of population in Europe they probably should use machine-guns instead of pistols though.
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Reply #2 - Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:12pm
 
Actually Europe, especially Italy, has an extremely low birth rate and they are rpetty well off because of it. They are just crazy, that's all.
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Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2008 at 11:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:12pm:
Actually Europe, especially Italy, has an extremely low birth rate and they are rpetty well off because of it. They are just crazy, that's all.


Overpopulation and low birth rate aren't the same thing. Firstly they did not stop in time and secondly population can increase by other means then birth rate e.g. immigration.


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Reply #4 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 9:09am
 
They stopped with plenty of time to spare. Their ability to support their population has continued to increase at a high rate. The population hasn't.
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Reply #5 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 9:39am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:12pm:
Actually Europe, especially Italy, has an extremely low birth rate and they are rpetty well off because of it. They are just crazy, that's all.



Yeah - Italians are different. This is probably the best illustration I've come across for the Italian National Psyche:

http://www.19.5degs.com/element/16934.php

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Reply #6 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 10:02am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 9:09am:
They stopped with plenty of time to spare. Their ability to support their population has continued to increase at a high rate. The population hasn't.


I think that you're talking about natural population growth while I refer to general population growth.

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Population increase in Europe is due mainly to external growth
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It is thanks mainly to "external" growth that the population of the European Union has tripled, rising from 167 to 493 million.


The updated data of this graph are taken from Population & Societies 398, written by Alain Monnier in 2004, an issue which also gives the population pyramids of the 25 EU member countries in that year.
http://www.ined.fr/en/resources_documentation/publications/pop_soc/bdd/publication/465/

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Re: Fears of unrest spreading across Europe
Reply #7 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 1:53pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 9:39am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2008 at 10:12pm:
Actually Europe, especially Italy, has an extremely low birth rate and they are rpetty well off because of it. They are just crazy, that's all.



Yeah - Italians are different. This is probably the best illustration I've come across for the Italian National Psyche:

http://www.19.5degs.com/element/16934.php

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We are hoping to spend a year in Italy before the young bloke starts school. I love the Italians as well but they drive me bananas.

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Reply #8 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
Grin Grin Grin muthabuggera Grin Grin I was wondering how that word would come out.
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Reply #9 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 10:12pm
 
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I think that you're talking about natural population growth while I refer to general population growth.


Whatever measure you use, they are perfectly safe. When everyone starts talking about the dillemma of an aging population you know you don;t have to worry about overpopulation for a while.
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Reply #10 - Dec 17th, 2008 at 10:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2008 at 10:12pm:
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I think that you're talking about natural population growth while I refer to general population growth.


Whatever measure you use, they are perfectly safe. When everyone starts talking about the dillemma of an aging population you know you don;t have to worry about overpopulation for a while.



Yes of course. You can put as many cattle as you like on any acreage with no detriment to environment.

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Reply #11 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 4:36pm
 
That's not what I'm saying Tallow. I'm saying they are not doing that.
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Reply #12 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:28pm
 
If Australia ever takes a referendum and approves of multiculturalism, Europe is the first place I'm relocating to.
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Reply #13 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 8:36pm
 
'Europe' is nonsense. Nothing holds 'Europe' together except the cunning French plan to use German money and guilt to re-establish French pre-emince despite being the losers since the 1870 Franco-Prussian war.  'Europe' is the French revenge on the Germans for three humiliations.


Italians (indeed, most Europeans)- scratch them and they are almost all incredibly parochial and stuck in the mud. Or else have an altogether unjustifiable sense of grandeur - that is, they are pompous.
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Reply #14 - Dec 18th, 2008 at 9:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 4:36pm:
That's not what I'm saying Tallow. I'm saying they are not doing that.


And I'm saying they've done it already. Look at population density of EU.
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