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#1
And ISLAM and its doctrines teach [openly to muslims] that Christians and Jews are the enemies of ISLAM, who are to be subjugated [enslaved], and if not subjugated, then to be murdered as the 'worst criminals' [as deniers of Allah and his pirate 'prophet'].

Koran,

"....those who reject (Allah),- for them is destruction, and (Allah) will render their deeds astray (from their mark).
....those who reject Allah have no protector."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.008
v. 8-11




TRUTH....

Jews & Christians are the People of the Book.

Muslims are the People of the Lie.



see also,

"Muslim preacher brands Christmas as evil"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229567505/2#2


#2
To non-muslims, ISLAM portrays a message of 'conciliation' to "The People of the Book.", as 'co-religionists' with muslims.
.....[these are bare faced lies, and all 'educated' muslims know this truth]

#1
But within all muslim communities, ISLAM teaches a message of confrontation with non-muslims [including Christians].

Just more of the duplicity.

ISLAM divides the world into two camps.

DIVISIONS OF THE WORLD, ACCORDING TO ISLAM

Dar al-Islam = = the house of Islam, house of Peace [those places where Sharia has authority].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Islam

Dar al-Harb = = "house of war", those countries where Sharia does not rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Harb

Harbi = = "one under a declaration of war", a non-muslim, WHO DOES NOT LIVE UNDER MUSLIM RULE.
".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi





Posted by: Alaskan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023681.php#c602782

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NOW IS THE TIME TO CHOOSE WHERE YOUR SPIRITUAL ALLEGIANCES LAY


Proverbs 8:35
For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36  But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.


Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


Deuteronomy 32:18
18  Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19  And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20  And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21  They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.


Deuteronomy 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27  And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28  And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29  But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30  When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;



We are all God's [spirit] children, who [in this 'life'] inhabit this 'prison', our earthen bodies.

Psalms 69:32
The humble shall see this, and be glad: and your heart shall live that seek God.
33  For the LORD heareth the poor, and despiseth not his prisoners.

Lamentations 3:33
For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
34  To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth,


We are all God's prodigal children, who have gone astray [in this world].

Isaiah 1:2
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.


Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.


Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


God's message to mankind, throughout the ages, has always been the same....

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life,...

Ok, first just to make it clear, I do NOT worship the same thing you worship, nor do you worship the same thing I worship (this is pretty much a word for word translation of Surah al-Kafiroon).

You worship a deity which is a mixture of ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Greek and Roman deities/pantheons mixed in with a Jewish storyline. In your book, the New Testament, the deity referred to is "Theos", NOT Yahweh, so you probably should change the question between Allah and Theos. The word/name Yahweh does not appear at all in the New Testament, which is the prime source of Christian belief, and the only book considered to be authoritative regarding your doctrines and teachings.

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It's quite interesting that you mention Judaism in your first question, yet it's completely left out of every other quotation you use in your post. Perhaps this is because you know full well that actually Judaism and Islam agree with one another much more than Christianity agrees with either of them?

A few examples...

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Christianity:
Judaism:
Islam:

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Christianity:
Judaism:
Islam:

The born in Bethlehem part has me a little confused. As far as I'm aware there is no Islamic text that states where Jesus (pbuh) was born.

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If Islam is a little anti-Christian, then Judaism would have to be the exact diametric opposite of Christianity. Pretty much all of those things listed above, are true of the beliefs of Judaism also, and a lot more. According to the Jewish texts, Jesus (pbuh) is a bastard, liar and much worse (may God punish them for their blasphemies against the Messiah). Whilst in Islam he is respected and considered a great prophet and messenger of God. So you prefer siding with those who abuse and degrade him and his blessed mother, whilst attacking those who honour and love him. You are indeed strange.

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Christianity:
Judaism:
Islam:

So in each one of your questions, it is quite clear Islam and Judaism are quite similar whilst Christianity differs, this means that your opening premise: "ISLAM is a very different 'faith', far removed from Christianity and Judaism." is false, and therefore the rest of your post is built on a false premise.


As regarding the word/name Allah, the fact is that it is more closely related to the Old Testament of the Jews than your 'Theos' from the New Testament is. The Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic languages are sister languages that share a lot of common vocabulary, including their word for deity. The Aramaic (a language Jesus (pbuh) is conjectured to have spoken) word/name for the supreme deity is Allaha, in Hebrew it is Elah, and in fact the plural of Elah, Elohim, is the most commonly used name for the deity in the Old Testament, not Yahweh, and most certainly not your 'Theos'.

abu - would you put references to support your claims ?

Happy new years eve Abu.
Hope you have had a good year and a better one next year.

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Luke 24:17
And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18  And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19  And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20  And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21  But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22  Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23  And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24  And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28  And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29  But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30  And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31  And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15  But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16  Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18  But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."


Galatians 2:1
Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.
2  And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
3  But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
4  And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Speaking here [above] of 'the yoke of bondage', the bondage of Jewish O T law.
....under which all Israel was condemned, by sin.

Study ISLAM, and you will recognise again, another system of laws.

Are you, do you wish to be, [once again] under bondage, to [ISLAM's] laws?

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15  What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16  Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Allah, is not the God of Israel!

Isaiah 28:14
Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15  Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16  Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17  Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18  And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.



sprint, if you love God, don't look for 'heroes', or leaders of men, don't look for 'teachers', don't look to men for your guidance.

Get close to God, read a little of your bible, every day!

Isaiah 30:1
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:



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Yadda wrote on Dec 31^st, 2008 at 7:51am:

But he was named Jesus (Joshua) not Immanuel… Another example of Matthew’s fabrications designed to align the Jesus myth with Old Testament prophecies (along with his birth in Bethlehem), which by the way is itself an argument for the historicity of Jesus the man. If he didn’t exist, there would be no need to go to the trouble of extending the myth with fabrications.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 31^st, 2008 at 8:21am:



helian,

On your point that Jesus name was Jesus,  .....not Immanuel.

True, the messiah, was 'commonly' known as 'Jesus'.



The significant point, of the reference to the title 'Immanuel', is that Jesus came, as God in flesh.

"And the Word was made flesh,"

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.





Consider,
In Isaiah 9, God's names [or titles, describing his person, listing 'names'] are also stated thus,

Isaiah 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be

called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


So, using your logic, in Isaiah 9, didn't God, or Isaiah, miss 'Jesus' as a moniker too?????

It seems so.


Well,

".....Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

The reference to the title 'Immanuel', signifies God's manifestation in flesh, as a man.