Anyway on the issue of human shields, it's very simple. There's absolutely no evidence Hamas deliberately use human shields, other than they happen to be in the same tiny little densely populated area as the civilians, that's the choosing of Israel, not of Hamas. Also freedivers claim that they 'draw' Israeli fire is as ridiculous as claiming the IDF 'draw' suicide bombers onto buses.

I'm sure if Hamas could have the wide open spaces the IDF have, they'd gladly build military facilities in them, especially if the US were going to give them some really sophisticated missiles systems free of charge. Having better resources and better access to the media doesn't put you in the right, and likewise lack of them doesn't make you wrong. Except in the minds of the fickle.

And as we saw with the UN school incident, Israel immediately did their usual trick of claiming militants were firing from inside, but the UN proved that no militants were inside. So their propagandous lies were undone... how many times they are not undone though is your dilemma... how many times have you just parroted absolute garbage, believing it to be the truth, with no evidence whatsoever, except IDF claims (against their enemy, no less).

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No it is not rediculous, because the IDF response is often immediate. They are literally drawing fire onto civilian areas.

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Abu, time to face facts - Hamas is getting it's arse kicked. It could not survive any kind of military engagement without women and children to hide behind. They are not brave enough for that. They will only fight while they can get some political mileage from dead palestinian children. If their propaganda stopped working on people like you, they would stop sacrificing their own children for a few photo ops.

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Strawman. I didn't say they were wrong because they are losers, they are wrong because they hide behind women and children.

Ok this is obviously going nowhere... You've made up your minds, the IDF reports are true, end of story.

Do any of you admit the IDF sometimes tells tales? Like the UN school they hit? Or is the UN just too pro-Palestinian, and therefore are lying to protect them and slander Israel?

I can't believe that lunatic got elected. I can't believe Abu is still denying the use of human shields.

Calanen... umm no try again.

The headmaster who was supposedly a rocket engineer is a completely different case. I'm talking about the UN school bombed in Jabaliyah (from memory) about a week ago, which the UN confirmed they searched every single person who sought refuge inside, and not a single one of them had any weapons on them. After this, Israel declined to comment (after having previously claimed they were firing on militants who were fighting from the school), and we've heard  nothing from them since.... Sounds like you're more eager to invent propaganada for them than they even are?

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 10:25am:


The school was not run by a Hamas rocket engineer.

You see, you seem to take whatever the IDF spokesman, or Israeli government say as gospel. All your propaganda and information has it roots their. No verification by independant sources, no evidence provided to back up the lies.

Whereas, as Abu has already stated, the UN (an independent organisation) has no reason to lie, and the UN director of Gaza already stated clearly that it was certain that no militants were hiding in the school. None...they checked.

In addition to this, it has been reported that the Israeli's in fact advised civilians to hide in the school, and then proceeded to bomb it.

In addition, the UN had clearly marked the school, and had sent the co-ordinates to the IDF. Given that the IDF and UN are in constant communication...if we are to believe these lies that Hamas were using the school, then why wouldn't the IDF inform the UN before the bombing?

Once again...your zionist lies are rather easily exposed.

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Because that would be the same as informing Hamas before the bombing?

They dug two militants out of the rubble. They've been seen on tape firing from that school before. The headmaster of the school was a rocket engineer. They brag about using children as human shields, and when that is pointed out, the women and children become 'volunteer patriots' - how can a child, rationally and informedly consent to volunteering to be a human shield in a war?

They booby trapped another school and a zoo.

For most people thats enough. But for others, they are never convinced whatever happens.

Calanen wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:10pm:


Care to provide a source. In the other thread I provided a source to an article in the AGE where the UN categorically stated that there were NO Hamas militants using the school, and that after searching through all the rubble they found no evidence or Hamas militants in the school.

Now you are saying that the Age is wrong, the UN director is lieing, and that twho militants were in fact found in the rubble.

Could you provide a source, and do you have any evidence, besides the words of an Israeli PR spokesman?

This should be good....