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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #150 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 4:15pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:39pm:
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Is this another joke? Like the "blindly following" fabrication that got spoken of yesterday? Can you verify if that is a serious statement please.


Did you provide a quote from me stating I have an imam?


No, Soren did probably within minutes of your request for the quote. Gaybriel assumed that you were joking. I am not aware of you responding.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:39pm:
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But you have condemned many things since I have joined this forum


Yeh, and?

Is there some kind of unwritten rule I'm not aware of, that if you condemn something, you must condemn everything else? Please elaborate.


Unwritten rules are elusive. Maybe consistancy is a good starting point. When you openly plead a special case because you share a fellowship of belief that excludes any negative comment, does not mean I have to accept it either. I have right of debate to say that is a crock if you are trying to establish an integrity to your commentry.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:39pm:
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You're only guilty of "flat out refuse to condemn acts committed by Muslims".


I could only bee guilty of it, if there were some requirement upon me to condemn them. So if you can point me in the direction of which law or code demands that I must condemn them, then we have ourselves a discussion.


You can say what you like. It is up to us a witnesses whether you should or can be taken seriously. You have enough codes and laws to worry about that by your own admission limit what you can and will say.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:39pm:
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You can at least separate yourself intelligently by admitting that terrorists are launching rockets from centres of civilian populations


What evidence do you have that they are doing this? Apart from IDF reports. Sorry, but I'm suree you can see why they couldn't be considered a credible source for such claims.

Besides, all of Gaza is a warzone now, fighting from any location is quite normal procedure for any military force Even the IDF have been using houses for cover... Sorry, I forgot, this rule only applies to Palestinians, my mistake.



You see on the one hand you don't want to admit it. It just simply goes against the grain. Then in the next paragraph you try to justify it. What is it?

You who CAN'T/WON'T say anything bad about other Muslims are making comments about credibility.


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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #151 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:15pm
 
locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Yes they are the ones. The ones that you ran away from without answering the questions.


My apologies...I guess I realised that my time is better spent with my family, then a bunch of red neck bigots who will attack my religon and way of life with every opportunity they can.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Without providing the links to other sources that I asked for more than once.


Those 'other sources' have been provided a number of times. You just aren't looking, and only see what you want to.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
They weren't well known anti-Islamic sites to me.


C'mon mate...who you are kidding. Anyone with half a brain would know that jihadwatch is a well known anti-Islamic site...and if you didn't know, then a 2 minute read of the content would more then confirm it.

I suspect you are being deliberately facetious...no one could possibly be that dumb or naive.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
I've waiting for your return. And you have returned in all your mouth froathing bad mannered glory. HUZZAH!!!


As I said above, I'd rather spend my time with my kids, then try to convince some babbling fool that wants to spread hate, lies and fear.

lol..bad manners? You serious?

Generalisations, accusations, and insults are also bad manners aren't they locuitus.

Perhaps you should look at your own behavoiur before b(tching abou tothers.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
No, no, no. I did not say that nor did the link. The link stated that a Mulim may be friendly to a non-believer but not have a deep friendship. There is a difference.


Either way..it is a complete load of crap, and we have shown it to be. Abu provided a link recently which explained quite clearly the Islamic POV...but ofcourse you chose to ignore this, cause as I said ealier...it doesn't fit into your already pre-concieved idea's.



locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
I asked a question. You took offence. Did you investigate what was asked. Maybe there are things about your religion you do not know. maybe it is true but you don't know or don't want to know, because if true it offends your sense of justice or fairness. But the demands of monotheism contradict justice and fairness often in my opinion regardless of the three books you ascribe to.


You posted a link making a claim, and then asked what was clearly a loaded question.

I didn't need to 'investigate' what was asked, cause as I said, the fact that you chose to post a well known anti-Islamic link with your question, speaks volumes.

It clearly implies that you are not interested in asking a sincere question, but was using the link to attack our beliefs, and what you 'think' is our position on non-muslim friends.

And even now...you say 'maybe its true and I don't know'. Are you serious?

Have you thought that maybe...its is far more likely that it is you that is wrong...about a great number of things I might add.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
You did not provide me with a version (link), you provided me with an opinion. I asked at least twice for a version.


Why would I need too.

You stated that muslims cannot take non-muslims for friends, and you posted a link which has been known to be incorrect, and is very much an anti-Islamic site.

I told you that most of my best friends are non-muslims...hence straight away...I am the proof, that these claims are nothing but nonsence. Now why would I lie? What motive could I possibly have?

Do you seriously believe some of this crap you come up with..cause really, its a worry if you do.

Besides, links have been provided on this very topic, their is one right now at the top of this page..however, like I said, you weren't looking for answers...cause if you were, you wouldn't of posted a clearly anti-Islamic link.

People who are sincerely asking questions don't often post their own answers.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
I had no pre-concieved idea. Just a question. So you have non-muslims that are your friends. Maybe you are just friendly to them. Maybe they are your friends but you don't know that you are doing the wrong thing with that claim. Or maybe you are not a good Muslim because you prefer to keep them as friends regardless. I don't know.


This is precisely my point. When I tell you that most of my best firends are non-muslim...here you are with numerous questions...doubting my claim. Its almost like your default position is to doubt what I am saying.

Yet where were all these questions when you first visited Jihadwatch, and decided to post that nonsense in the first place?

No..no questions then were there, of course not. You took what was said to be fact, yet here we are now, when I tell you that my best friends are non-muslims..all of a sudden here you are with all these questions.

Why is that do you think?

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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #152 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:19pm
 
probably a good thing you don't tell your best-friend what you think and they don't know what you write here
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Reply #153 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:20pm
 
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I didn't need to 'investigate' what was asked, cause as I said, the fact that you chose to post a well known anti-Islamic link with your question, speaks volumes.


Argumentum ad hominem. Just because it's on Jihadwatch does not mean it is wrong.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #154 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:22pm
 
locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Questions are not attacks. Questions build understanding.


They are attacks when you provide what you believe to be the answer. And as I said above, where were your questions when you did a google search and stumbled across the first anti-Islamic site you could find. Why didn't your 'questions' at least direct you to one Islamic source for your information?

It seems that you are very selective with when you ask questions...and more importantly..why.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
And of course I do attack beliefs that I don't agree with. What else should I be doing. Embrace them?


Thats fine...but please, don't then turn around and attack others for doing likewise. It does nothing but make you look a hypocrite.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Then lets get back to those past topics, refresh them. I mentioned some already.


What topics? I asked a simple question...you seem to think that I am such a huge threat to you and your way of like...I would of thought that their would be heaps of things you could list of the top of your head.

I'll ask again...

What beliefs DO I have that are a threat to you freedom and quality of life.

Really...you should stop making silly generalisations and remember that at the end of the day, we are all human beings. Yes..even muslims...believe it or not.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
I don't know......and no. But we may not have a choice.


This is a cop out. You always have a choice. And before you make it, just remember, every choice has its consequences.

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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #155 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:24pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:19pm:
probably a good thing you don't tell your best-friend what you think and they don't know what you write here


At least I have friends Grendel. What a pathetic lonely life you must lead.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #156 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:20pm:
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I didn't need to 'investigate' what was asked, cause as I said, the fact that you chose to post a well known anti-Islamic link with your question, speaks volumes.


Argumentum ad hominem. Just because it's on Jihadwatch does not mean it is wrong.


lol...ad hominem hey. Whatever .....

No, its wrong because there are many muslims that have non-muslim friends, and muslims here on this site have told you this a number of times, yet you still insist on parrotting the same old lies.

Cause your a bigot.
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Reply #157 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:27pm
 
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They are attacks when you provide what you believe to be the answer.


No they aren't. That is a coomon tool to aid communication. It encourages the person answering the question to directly address any misunderstanding on the part of the person posing the question. It prevents miscommunication through ambiguity.

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I'll ask again...

What beliefs DO I have that are a threat to you freedom and quality of life.


How about isntead of repeatedly asking the question, you respond to our answers. There are plenty of examples here. Let's start with rejecting democracy and personal freedom and the imposition of dictatoprship eh?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values

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lol...ad hominem hey. Whatever .....


Hmmm, wasn;t that the same response you used for other 'too difficult' issues?
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #158 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:29pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:24pm:
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At least I have friends Grendel. What a pathetic lonely life you must lead.


Of course you do, that's why you keep coming here. Smiley
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Reply #159 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:27pm:
No they aren't. That is a coomon tool to aid communication. It encourages the person answering the question to directly address any misunderstanding on the part of the person posing the question. It prevents miscommunication through ambiguity.


Really....would that be like....

Tell me Freediver..why do you continously ask stupid questions even though you have been given the answers numerous times?

Maybe its because you already have pre-conceived idea's and refuse to accept, or even acknowledge the answers given.


As you say...just preventing miscommunication.

freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:27pm:
How about isntead of repeatedly asking the question, you respond to our answers. There are plenty of examples here. Let's start with rejecting democracy and personal freedom and the imposition of dictatoprship eh?


Why can't you answer a simple question. I've asked it a number of times now.

Why do you expect me to answer your questions when you are unwilling to answer mine.

If you would like to know why we refuse to answer any of your silly questions FD, look no further then this thread here.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231375322

freediver wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:27pm:
Hmmm, wasn;t that the same response you used for other 'too difficult' issues?


Actually..it is the response that you use for the 'too difficult' issues. It is well known, terms like this, oh, and your other favorites...'false dihictomy'..and 'strawman'.

Meaningless terms that you without fail pull out when you refuse to address an issue. I see not much has changed.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #160 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:09pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:29pm:
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:24pm:
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At least I have friends Grendel. What a pathetic lonely life you must lead.


Of course you do, that's why you keep coming here. Smiley


Your here far more then me sunshine...so what does that say about you? Smiley
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Reply #161 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:19pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:09pm:
tallowood wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:29pm:
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:24pm:
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At least I have friends Grendel. What a pathetic lonely life you must lead.


Of course you do, that's why you keep coming here. Smiley


Your here far more then me sunshine...so what does that say about you? Smiley



That you think that I am your friend  Wink Wink Wink

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Reply #162 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:23pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:19pm:
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:09pm:
tallowood wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:29pm:
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:24pm:
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At least I have friends Grendel. What a pathetic lonely life you must lead.


Of course you do, that's why you keep coming here. Smiley


Your here far more then me sunshine...so what does that say about you? Smiley



That you think that I am your friend  Wink Wink Wink



But not my 'real friend'...cause apparently muslims can't have non-musims as 'real friends'.

Just ask Locuitus.
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Reply #163 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 9:28pm
 
Calanen,

As I've stated several times before, you're either an outright liar, prostituting your soul to defend this crap, or you're just gullible and don't have the capacity to know any better, either way your credibility in this debate is shot.

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The headmaster of the school was a rocket engineer.


This case, as I mentioned has NOTHING at all to do with the current conflict in Gaza. It is old news, from about 8 months ago, that you either deliberately or inadvertadly dredged  up to support your failing arguments.

EXCLUSIVE-Gaza headmaster was Islamic Jihad "rocket-maker" (Mon May 5, 2008 9:08am EDT)

Note: In May of last year it  *was* exclusive, today it's just old news that you've falsely used to bolster your argument. I really should be a little more diligent, and investigate all your trumped up claims. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them turn out like this.

Freediver,

You should really be a little more diligent too and not just jump on the bandwagon. Or you risk losing credibility along with this guy.

Now I will ask again, the U.N school that was bombed by Israel on Jan 9th. 2009 in Jabaliyah refugee camp, and Israel reported militants fired from inside there, a claim the UN disproved, and Israel later admitted was perhaps a 'mistake'. This makes it quite clear that Israel instantly claims everything was a case of human shields, militants inside etc. yet sometimes they get exposed as lies. How about all the other times nobody's there to expose it? After all, who here believes anything whatsoever that Hamas says?

Israeli massacre at UN school exposed
No militants in bombed Gaza school: UN
Israeli shelling kills dozens at UN school in Gaza
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Reply #164 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:34pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:22pm:
locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Questions are not attacks. Questions build understanding.


They are attacks when you provide what you believe to be the answer. And as I said above, where were your questions when you did a google search and stumbled across the first anti-Islamic site you could find. Why didn't your 'questions' at least direct you to one Islamic source for your information?

It seems that you are very selective with when you ask questions...and more importantly..why.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
And of course I do attack beliefs that I don't agree with. What else should I be doing. Embrace them?


Thats fine...but please, don't then turn around and attack others for doing likewise. It does nothing but make you look a hypocrite.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Then lets get back to those past topics, refresh them. I mentioned some already.


What topics? I asked a simple question...you seem to think that I am such a huge threat to you and your way of like...I would of thought that their would be heaps of things you could list of the top of your head.

I'll ask again...

What beliefs DO I have that are a threat to you freedom and quality of life.

Really...you should stop making silly generalisations and remember that at the end of the day, we are all human beings. Yes..even muslims...believe it or not.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
I don't know......and no. But we may not have a choice.


This is a cop out. You always have a choice. And before you make it, just remember, every choice has its consequences.



I should have realized that this was all just a little too sophisticated for you Lestat.

Thanks for saying .................... nothing.

It seems bigot, bigot, bigot scares away most of your critics.
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