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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #165 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:39pm
 
locutius wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:34pm:
Lestat wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 8:22pm:
locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Questions are not attacks. Questions build understanding.


They are attacks when you provide what you believe to be the answer. And as I said above, where were your questions when you did a google search and stumbled across the first anti-Islamic site you could find. Why didn't your 'questions' at least direct you to one Islamic source for your information?

It seems that you are very selective with when you ask questions...and more importantly..why.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
And of course I do attack beliefs that I don't agree with. What else should I be doing. Embrace them?


Thats fine...but please, don't then turn around and attack others for doing likewise. It does nothing but make you look a hypocrite.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
Then lets get back to those past topics, refresh them. I mentioned some already.


What topics? I asked a simple question...you seem to think that I am such a huge threat to you and your way of like...I would of thought that their would be heaps of things you could list of the top of your head.

I'll ask again...

What beliefs DO I have that are a threat to you freedom and quality of life.

Really...you should stop making silly generalisations and remember that at the end of the day, we are all human beings. Yes..even muslims...believe it or not.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:33pm:
I don't know......and no. But we may not have a choice.


This is a cop out. You always have a choice. And before you make it, just remember, every choice has its consequences.



I should have realized that this was all just a little too sophisticated for you Lestat.

Thanks for saying .................... nothing.

It seems bigot, bigot, bigot scares away most of your critics.


Actually, my post was made up of a little more then that Locuitus (actually, I have looked but for some reason I cannot even find the word 'bigot' in any of my post that you quoted), but then again, I'm not really surprised by your response...or lack of.

Obviously I've asked questions that you don't want to answer. Thats ok..I suspect I already know what those answers are. Smiley
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #166 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:02pm
 
No, Lestat. You said nothing more. Unless along with your antidotal "evidence" it is backed up with perfect understanding of your religion in it's entirety. Is that what you are saying?

You added no new substance to the your claims, that I had already addressed.

You use the word bigot a lot. maybe it works for you with the general public. Luckily it does not frighten too many away on this forum.
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Reply #167 - Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:10pm
 
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You use the word bigot a lot. maybe it works for you with the general public.


Wouldn't frighten me. Its just one of the weapons that jihadis have in their arsenal to silence critics. What is incredibly stupid, is that our own Fifth Columnists gave it to them.

The Socialist Alliance has been handing out pamphlets at the Lakemba Mosque encouraging people to demonstrate against Israel re the Gaza conflict. They have also formed the Defence of Gaza Action Committee or some such. Interestingly, I've been watching discussions of muslims about this, who were asking whether they should trust the kuffar over this, because, they would want a 'muslim solution' rather than a humanitarian one. 'For now' seemed to be the response.

I wonder what a 'muslim solution' would mean? Beheadings?
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Reply #168 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:42am
 
locutius wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
No, Lestat. You said nothing more. Unless along with your antidotal "evidence" it is backed up with perfect understanding of your religion in it's entirety. Is that what you are saying?


Well..yes, that is what I am saying. When it comes to my religon...I know more then you, that is a fact, and I have a very clear understanding (lets say perfect) on the laws regarding 'friendship' with non-muslims.

But thats ok..I understand that you find jihadWatch much more to your liking. No questioning its claims...but subservient acceptance of what you suspected all along.

locutius wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
You added no new substance to the your claims, that I had already addressed.


Whats there to add Locuitus. I have told a you a number of times now, most of my best friends are non-muslims. Yet you seem to question my claims.

The Islamic POV regarding friendship with non-muslims has been explained to you a number of times now...and ironically, you say I have added no substance, then the fact is my post had far more substance then you link to an anti-Islamic site which made a claim without providing any evidence or anything whatsoever to back up that claim.

I'll ask again...where were your questions when  you first read, and then provided a link to Jihad watch?

Why don't you want to answer the question. Maybe because you can't.

locutius wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
You use the word bigot a lot. maybe it works for you with the general public. Luckily it does not frighten too many away on this forum.


Why do you insist on lies to some how discredit me. As I said...not once did I call you a bigot in the my post you quoted. Here it is for you again.....

"Lestat wrote on Yesterday at 8:22pm:
locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009, 2:33pm:
Questions are not attacks. Questions build understanding.

They are attacks when you provide what you believe to be the answer. And as I said above, where were your questions when you did a google search and stumbled across the first anti-Islamic site you could find. Why didn't your 'questions' at least direct you to one Islamic source for your information?

It seems that you are very selective with when you ask questions...and more importantly..why.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009, 2:33pm:
And of course I do attack beliefs that I don't agree with. What else should I be doing. Embrace them?

Thats fine...but please, don't then turn around and attack others for doing likewise. It does nothing but make you look a hypocrite.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009, 2:33pm:
Then lets get back to those past topics, refresh them. I mentioned some already.

What topics? I asked a simple question...you seem to think that I am such a huge threat to you and your way of like...I would of thought that their would be heaps of things you could list of the top of your head.

I'll ask again...

What beliefs DO I have that are a threat to you freedom and quality of life.

Really...you should stop making silly generalisations and remember that at the end of the day, we are all human beings. Yes..even muslims...believe it or not.

locutius wrote on Jan 8th, 2009, 2:33pm:
I don't know......and no. But we may not have a choice.

This is a cop out. You always have a choice. And before you make it, just remember, every choice has its consequences. "



Its interesting...that twice now you have crapped on about how I've called you a bigot, and interestingly you have quoted my post where the word does not appear once. When I challenged you on this you once again flatly refused to answer.

Yet here you are again making the same lie. Why do you lie Locuitus...this is not a western characteristic, as I know many westerners who do not lie.

Perhaps it is a symptom of Islamophobes..it would appear they all have this in common.
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Re: Islamic immigration
Reply #169 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:58am
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:10pm:
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You use the word bigot a lot. maybe it works for you with the general public.


Wouldn't frighten me. Its just one of the weapons that jihadis have in their arsenal to silence critics. What is incredibly stupid, is that our own Fifth Columnists gave it to them.

The Socialist Alliance has been handing out pamphlets at the Lakemba Mosque encouraging people to demonstrate against Israel re the Gaza conflict. They have also formed the Defence of Gaza Action Committee or some such. Interestingly, I've been watching discussions of muslims about this, who were asking whether they should trust the kuffar over this, because, they would want a 'muslim solution' rather than a humanitarian one. 'For now' seemed to be the response.

I wonder what a 'muslim solution' would mean? Beheadings?


Yes...your a brave internet here you are. Hiding behind your keyboard. You must be really proud.

Whereas...out in the real world I have no doubt you are nothing but a coward...your barely raises a whimper.

I've seen your type before...internet nerds that seem to have only have a dose of courage when their words and lies have no consequences.

I bet in person you would be extremely nice to me...yet behind my back .... would be completely different.

This is how your type work. I've dealt with scum like you before.

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Reply #170 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 7:42am
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:58am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:10pm:
[quote]You use the word bigot a lot. maybe it works for you with the general public.


Wouldn't frighten me. Its just one of the weapons that jihadis have in their arsenal to silence critics. What is incredibly stupid, is that our own Fifth Columnists gave it to them.

The Socialist Alliance has been handing out pamphlets at the Lakemba Mosque encouraging people to demonstrate against Israel re the Gaza conflict. They have also formed the Defence of Gaza Action Committee or some such. Interestingly, I've been watching discussions of muslims about this, who were asking whether they should trust the kuffar over this, because, they would want a 'muslim solution' rather than a humanitarian one. 'For now' seemed to be the response.

I wonder what a 'muslim solution' would mean? Beheadings?


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Yes...your a brave internet here you are. Hiding behind your keyboard. You must be really proud.


Now now, you might hurt my internetz feelings....

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Whereas...out in the real world I have no doubt you are nothing but a coward...your barely raises a whimper.


Well - let's say you are 100% right. Does it matter? Or that you are wrong, does it matter? And certainly, your opinion of me doesnt change my circumstances. I don't need your validation for my ego.

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I've seen your type before...internet nerds that seem to have only have a dose of courage when their words and lies have no consequences.


Now, I imagine this is designed to get some sort of reaction. But, what reaction would be appropriate? Have a pointless debate about who is more courageous? Bit on the kindergarten side. It's more of your 'Im the King of the Castle' rhetoric. Very lowbrow.

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I bet in person you would be extremely nice to me...yet behind my back .... would be completely different.


Who knows. Seems like you have a bit of an internet forum board therapeutic diagnosis thing going on. Hope it works out for you.

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This is how your type work. I've dealt with scum like you before.


Now now, temper temper. Sticks and stones etc etc...

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Reply #171 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 3:27pm
 
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Actually..it is the response that you use for the 'too difficult' issues. It is well known, terms like this, oh, and your other favorites...'false dihictomy'..and 'strawman'.

Meaningless terms that you without fail pull out when you refuse to address an issue. I see not much has changed.


Sorry, I forgot to include the link. If you don't know what they mean lestat, check here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#strawman

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#false%20dichotomy

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This case, as I mentioned has NOTHING at all to do with the current conflict in Gaza. It is old news, from about 8 months ago, that you either deliberately or inadvertadly dredged  up to support your failing arguments.


Are you changing your mind about whether it is relevant in response to the facts about the school?

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Now I will ask again, the U.N school that was bombed by Israel on Jan 9th. 2009 in Jabaliyah refugee camp


So it is two different schools, contrary to what Lestat posted?

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I've been watching discussions of muslims about this, who were asking whether they should trust the kuffar over this, because, they would want a 'muslim solution' rather than a humanitarian one. 'For now' seemed to be the response.

I wonder what a 'muslim solution' would mean? Beheadings?


Well according to Abu Israel has no right to exist. Perhaps if the Jews welcomed the Muslim overloards with open arms, they could live there as second class citizens and experience another 'golden age'.

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Well..yes, that is what I am saying. When it comes to my religon...I know more then you, that is a fact, and I have a very clear understanding (lets say perfect) on the laws regarding 'friendship' with non-muslims.


Abu seemed highly critical of your understanding of Islamic rules in the other thread. Given your reticence to actually discuss it, beyond saying you've already explained it and won't go into any more detail, I can hardly be confident that you know what you are talking about. You spend more time trying to justify not explaining Islam than actually explaining it.

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Now, I imagine this is designed to get some sort of reaction. But, what reaction would be appropriate? Have a pointless debate about who is more courageous? Bit on the kindergarten side. It's more of your 'Im the King of the Castle' rhetoric. Very lowbrow.


At least Lestat has stopped making up putrid accusations against people's family members.
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Reply #172 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 3:50pm
 
find it hilarious that the 2 Muslims zealots here are the ones who continually speak in colours and about races...  closet racists perhaps.

Does it mean if you dont like some part of someone elses culture, your automatically a racist
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Reply #173 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 5:29pm
 
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Well..yes, that is what I am saying. When it comes to my religon...I know more then you, that is a fact, and I have a very clear understanding (lets say perfect) on the laws regarding 'friendship' with non-muslims.


I may have missed the comment Lestat. What do the "laws" say about friendships with non-muslims?



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Reply #174 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:27pm
 
It probably says you cant be friends with the infidel but you can move to their country, buy a Tarago or a Land Cruiser, have 5 or 6 kids, clogg up Centrelink, drool over the woman then try eventually demand an Islamic state within a state, with plans to out populate the locals, it goes something like that.
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Reply #175 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:58pm
 
I think you are allowed to talk to them in a friendly manner in order to convert them or if you have some kind of business dealings with them. Other than that, you are not allowed to be actual friends. In practice, I would expect that the potential to convert friends to Islam basically rules all friendships in, but the frienship itself has no inherent value and from the Muslim's perspective, he has wasted his time by being your friend if you don't convert. In Islam, everything is judged by whether it furthers Islam. There is no inherent good, or judging a tree by it's fruit, other than the furthering of Islam. Likewise, anything that furthers Islam cannot be bad.
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Reply #176 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 7:19pm
 
Lol, yes they're pretty much the understandings I have of lslamic "LAW", but I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth - the "expert".

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Reply #177 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 8:49pm
 
I will refer you to the Common misconceptions.. thread, which has a very clear article that explains the misconception about friendship with non-Muslims. It's quite clearly a mistranslation that's caused this misconception to be propagated.
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Reply #178 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 9:20pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 8:49pm:
I will refer you to the Common misconceptions.. thread, which has a very clear article that explains the misconception about friendship with non-Muslims. It's quite clearly a mistranslation that's caused this misconception to be propagated.



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Reply #179 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 10:02pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 8:49pm:
I will refer you to the Common misconceptions.. thread, which has a very clear article that explains the misconception about friendship with non-Muslims. It's quite clearly a mistranslation that's caused this misconception to be propagated.


I tried reading it. It is not exactly clear. It seems to focus on Koranic quotes that you claim do not refer to friendship, while avoiding the actual issue of friendship. It seems to be pure diversion from the issue. If you pose a question about Islam's take on friendship, why don't you simply respond by explaining Islam's take on friendship, rather than going into great detail about why certain quotes are not relevant?
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