Amadd wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:47pm:


so each muslim you meet should have a dictionary definition ready as to what is an extremist and moderate muslim and where they fall? would they need charts?

I know I'm being facetitous- but this all seems very imprecise to me. what is it exacty muslims should do? every person they meet they say "btw I condemn terrorism, am not an extremist. I am a moderate and the definition of this is etc etc"?

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I'm not muslim

Amadd wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:02pm:


http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13742&hl=condemn+mumbai

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=42926&hl=condemn+mumbai

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59&hl=condemn+mumbai

"National Mourning Day

The heinous and criminal act against innocent members of our country colleagues holidaying in Bali is a crime against humanity and peace loving Australia and Australians, Muslims included.

Today, is the National Mourning day for those victims, I wish to invite all my Muslim brothers and sisters who share my love to Australia and Australians to express our deepest feelings of sympathy and extend our condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

May Allah bless Australia. "

Lakemba Mosque Bali Mourning & Prayer Service

His eminence the Mufty of Australia Sh. Taj Aldin Alhilali has called on all Muslims to join the Lakemba congregation for prayers for victims of the Bali tragedy at the Lakemba mosque on Sunday 20 October. The prayer service will be joined by the Honourable Philip Ruddock, Minister for Immigration, Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs.

“We share the pain and grief, our sincere prayers go to the victims, we ask God to grant comfort to the grieving families and to all Australians to help get through these difficult times.” Said His eminence Mufty Alhilali.

“Bali highlights to us the dangerous times facing our world. Our heart-felt condolences to the families who lost loved ones. A week on, we pray for love, compassion and patience through these trying times.” Said Mr. Keysar Trad, spokesperson for the Lebanese Moslem Association.

“We repeat our call to the Indonesian government; end the speculation, identify those responsible and bring them to justice.” Said Mr. Trad.

“More than ever, today, we must rally together as one society in the face of a tragedy that befalls each and every one of us.” Said Mr. Trad.

Detail of the “Day of Mourning” prayer service

Time: 11:30 AM
Date: Sunday 20 October 2002
Address: Imam Ali Bin Abi Taleb Mosque
65-67 Wangee Rd. Lakemba, NSW
Media Contact: Keysar Trad -                0410 33 69 22        
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National Day Of Mourning: Rockdale Town Hall
Prayers for victims of the Bali tragedy
2:00pm, Sunday 20 October, 2002
Al-Zahra Muslim Association is joined by many other Muslim Associations to commemorate this sad event.
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National Day of Mourning For The Victims Of The Bali Bomb Attack - Auburn Gallipoli Mosque

Auburn Gallipoli Mosque Grieves For Their Fellow Australians
Australia’s Turkish community will put on the lights this evening (Sunday 20 Oct 2002) at Auburn Gallipoli Mosque in a night prayer in memory of the victims of the Bali bomb attack.

On Sunday, the National Day of Mourning for the victims of the Bali bomb attack, Western Sydney’s great mosque will bring Muslim Australians together to hold a special prayer service for those fellow Australians who lost their lives in the horrific attack in Bali.

Whilst the whole of Australia is still in shock and many of the families are searching for the remains of their relatives, the Muslim community has expressed its deepest sympathies and made announcements at its mosques to raise money for the victims and to donate blood. This mindless attack is an assault on all humanity and the Muslim community condemns this act of violence and calls on the Indonesian and Australian security services to swiftly bring those responsible to justice. On Sunday the Hon. Minister for Immigration Mr Phillip Ruddock will attend the special service which will include a special prayer on the holy night of Berat.

We invite the general public to freely participate. Proceedings will commence at 6.00pm on Sunday 20th October 2002 at 15-19 North Parade Auburn.

RSVP: Saturday 19th Oct 2002
Contact: KS Seyit                0412 318 045         or                02 93196733        
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Preston Mosque (Victoria) will have an open day and is inviting people of all faiths to visit and mourn.
Sunday, 20 October, 2002
Preston Mosque
90 Cramer Street
Preston, Victoria - 3075
              (03) 6470 2424        
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The Canberra Islamic Centre in Monash will hold a peace ceremoney from 7.30pm, Sunday 20 October, 2002
http://www.islamiccenters.com/ViewInfor.asp?ID=978
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The Indonesian Embassy is hosting an interfaith service from 11am to noon, Sunday 20 October, 2002
http://www.kbri-canberra.org.au/bali/inter...r_021020pic.htm

http://muslimvillage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47735&hl=mumbai+attacks

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

"Grand Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi of the Al-Azhar mosque of Cairo - which is seen as the highest authority in Sunni Islam - said groups which carried out suicide bombings were the enemies of Islam.  Speaking at the conference in the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur, Sheikh Tantawi said extremist Islamic groups had appropriated Islam and its notion of jihad, or holy struggle, for their own ends.
BBC News, 11 July, 2003"

http://www.m-a-t.org/

http://www.islamagainstterrorism.com/

http://indianmuslims.in/indian-muslims-against-terrorism/

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/03/massive-muslim-protest-in-bahrain.html

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/07/iraqis-protest-against-terror.html

Amadd wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:22pm:


I think the problem is that such news doesn't sell. this isn't a conspiracy story, it's just a recognition that media is out to make money. and no one is interested in hearing stories about how everyone wants to get along. sensationalism sells and in times of crisis the media often gets caught up in that sensationalism and can be irresponsible in their portrayal of situations.

I think it is a shame that we don't hear about massive demonstrations in muslim countries, issuing of fatwas etc etc- all against terrorism.because it does create the impression that muslims are just kicking it, sitting back and don't really care either way.

and I think this is why so many muslims can get frustrated when they're accused of not doing anything to help or to show their opinion- because they are, people just don't know about it

anyway- I hope the links are useful

Amadd wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:50pm:


yes I think you're right. at the moment on muslim village (another forum I go on)- a jewish person has joined the forum and has had to answer for a lot of israel's actions. I think this is desperately unfair- alas it does happen.

I think it is unfortunate and I understand why people become frustrated with it- it must be exhausting having to do it all the time.

at the same time, coming out and saying what you do and don't support is of great help to both muslims and non-muslims alike- because hopefully it helps clear up the picture a bit

Thankyou for your replies Gaybriel, it is nice to see that some prominent Islamic scholars have the guts to say the right thing.

The Sunni leader is a good example of a prominent muslim attempting to spread a more benign message than most of his contemporaries.

As to the rest of them, I do not know how worthy they are, as the problem of just saying what they want westerners to believe, and what they really teach, is often very different.

The art of deceiving one's enemies, a pretty well established practice, in Islam, is always going to make us question the veracity of these types of statements.

I appreciate the catch 22 they are in, but it is a problem of their own making.

To be considered reliable, we would expect to see a consistency of thought, and practice, that at least one from your list, sheik alhilali, certainly does not enjoy, he does not have a reputation for his moderate views.

These terrorist supporters are not obscure, or rare, they hold positions of prominence in many Islamic institutions, and then there is the obvious problems with Islamic schools, where radicalism is not only explored, but promoted, unchallenged, by way too many.

We see similiar things with extremist christian grioups, but the difference is that when they are identified, they are condemned, and ostracised from the broader christian community, not tolerated or feted by it, and we need Islam to do the same.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 9^th, 2009 at 7:31am:


you see this is the problem for many muslims today. even when they fulfill what others require of them. they are not believed. they are told that they're just lying and acting differently behind closed doors.

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is it though? is it a problem made by ordinary muslims who are just going about their business?

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in terms of consistency sheikh alhilali has never (to my knowledge) condone terrorism. so in terms of that particular area he has been very consistent.

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can you provide examples of who these people are?

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but here we see the same thing as shown in the links provided. I would suggest that holding demonstrations, saying 'not in the name of our religion', issuing fatwas that condemn terrorism and terrorists, holding days of prayer etc for the victims of terrorism- actually fulfills the things you require above.

but again- these things aren't seen as 'consistent' because we don't hear about them.

obviously - yes there are terrorist sympathisers. I suggest they are in the minority however. you may disagree with that of course- but my question is this. is it ordinary muslims that you want to be coming out condemning these things, or is your desire for the terrorists to have no sympathisers?

if your desire is th latter- whilst I agree and think that would be great- it's not realistic. The most diabolical of rulers, of terror groups throughout the ages have had their supporters. that in and of itself cannot be prevented.

so yes I think it's a good idea for the muslims who do not suport terrorism to come out and let those who do, know that they do not agree. but again, I put it to you that this is happening a lot more than we hear about as seen in just a few of the links I provided above (there's more out there).

but ultimately- you're saying these demonstrations, fatwas, prayer meetings etc- are useless and have no meaning because you think they're all lies.

so again I ask- what is it that muslims can do to 1) help stop terrorism and 2) prove they do not support terrorism?