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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: CIA Tracking 4000 UK Terror Suspects Reply #30 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:13pm Quote: and what about myself? someone who does condemn such things? It indicates you're not a Muslim.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: CIA Tracking 4000 UK Terror Suspects Reply #31 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:21pm freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:13pm: Quote: and what about myself? someone who does condemn such things? It indicates you're not a Muslim. we knew that already. but I'm being told I'm enabling terrorism
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: CIA Tracking 4000 UK Terror Suspects Reply #32 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:23pm I didn't notice that.
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Reply #33 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:28pm

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:23pm:

I didn't notice that.

allow me to show you

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He is one drop of the water that makes up the sea the terrorists swim in. You and Lester and Manra are other drops. You don't need to be a sympathiser. Ambivalence is enough. That's murky enough.

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Jihadis do not operate in a vacuum. They have material, political, ideological supporters, donors, sympathisers, nodders, enablers, (noticing concentric circles so far?) as well as explainers, excusers, 'yes-but-ers', non-interfering, non-judgemental by-standers and other assortments of preening hypocrites, cowards, reciters of cant and useful idiots of every kind, making up the "water", the social millieu.

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My list of the people who make up the 'water' in which terror jihadis swim are all connected to each other and to jihadis intentionally. They are aware of thee crime in progress and take an intentional stance towrds it.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: CIA Tracking 4000 UK Terror Suspects Reply #34 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:44pm That just shows the danger of pushing a metaphor too far.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: CIA Tracking 4000 UK Terror Suspects Reply #35 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:51pm freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:44pm: That just shows the danger of pushing a metaphor too far. it also shows his intent in what he said
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Reply #36 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 11:25pm

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 5:06pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 10^th, 2009 at 9:46am:

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 10^th, 2009 at 9:27am:

I take it that's your embaressed way of saying "Right".

wrong. I explained it in details. You still don't seem t understand it. To Gaybriel it was x files, to you guilt by association. you both miss the pertinent point,you probably willfully, she because she does.

Guilt by association is accidental. It is unintended connection to something, like being in the vicinity of a crime in progress.

My list of the people who make up the 'water' in which terror jihadis swim are all connected to each other and to jihadis intentionally. They are aware of thee crime in progress and take an intentional stance towrds it.

You, for example, would not utter a negative judgement on any jihadi or indeed muslim criminals of any kind simply because it is contrary to your belief to speak negatively of any muslim, monster or not. You have no difficulty speaking negatively of non-muslims, even non-criminals, people who simply disgree with you. So passing jdgement per se is obviously not the snag. You are not in the 'useful idiot' category in the above list (small mercies).

Judging from your readiness to voice negative judgement, infidels you disagree with are worse than any bloodthirsty muslim monster.
This dehumanises you and makes your moral compass unacceptable.

and what about myself? someone who does condemn such things?

You? Alas, no small mercies in your case.

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Reply #37 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 5:54am

Sounds more like a mob mentality to me. "If we can't get our hands on the perpetrators, then we'll catch the next closest to them (by religion in this case) and then the next closest, in concentric circles and exact our revenge on them, holding them guilty for the crimes by association, explaining, being by-standers or otherwise just opposing us in any issue, related or not".

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Reply #38 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:59pm

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 5:54am:

Sounds more like a mob mentality to me. "If we can't get our hands on the perpetrators, then we'll catch the next closest to them (by religion in this case) and then the next closest, in concentric circles and exact our revenge on them, holding them guilty for the crimes by association, explaining, being by-standers or otherwise just opposing us in any issue, related or not".

Love the quotes around the stream of fantasy. Is there a button you push to get it flowing or does it require effort?

I made the distinction clear between guilt by association and guilt due to intention. Perhaps it's not in sharia, making it incomprehensible to you.

Even if you do not understand it, the difference exists. Ask a learned man you trust.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: CIA Tracking 4000 UK Terror Suspects Reply #39 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 4:10am You are the epitome of all that you claim to detest soren. You're the supporter of uncivilised mob mentality and brutality, you'd just be content directing it at one particular group of people.. You're a disgrace, really.
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Reply #40 - Jan 31^st, 2009 at 11:53pm

A very Pavlovian response (if I may draw a camine parallel to shed light on the psychology of the individual of the mohammedan persuasion ).
In a way, arguing with mohammedans is a bit like dealing with circus animals - one knows their limits, one knows what they cannot, will not say and so the routine is pretty much always the same. A performance. But each show it also dangerous - even though you may be able to walk, sit, bring coffee, converse even, you cannot perform some ordinary mental manouvers or cannot BUT perform others as if responding to a command.

Having embraced the idea that Islam is perfect in every way, you get trapped even by small and ordinary life events and circustances all the time when islam is no use or worse, a positive impedimeent to functioning smoothly. You stub your toe all the time on the demands of ordinary life.

This is why mohammedans are so repressed and frustrated, rage boy-like, whenever islam is questioned or mocked or when islam is no use (cf. comrehending different concepts such as association and intention) and why they want to arrange society so that no event without islamically sorted precedent can take place.

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