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Reply #30 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 7:25am
 
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The Hamas paramilitary police are the only military arm of Hamas. They have uniforms and they've been wearing them during the conflict. You have been proven wrong, be man enough to admit it.


All is fair in love and war.

All sides, Israelis and Hamas and Al Fatah wear each other's uniforms from time to time.

We even had US Delta guys dressed in Israeli uniforms on ops in Israel. Caused a big stir when the Delta guy posted a photo of it in his tell all book. The guy is now 'persona non grata' on any US government installation, or military installation.
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Reply #31 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 7:32am
 
easel wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:12pm:
There are many perspectives to look at when considering why the Israeli's wouldn't allow media in. A few quick ones are:

1. They are psycho murderers.

2. They don't want media getting killed.

3. They don't want to allow for the possibility of foreign fighters or human shields entering under the guise of media.

4. They are aware that much of the world media who arrives will possibly be against their cause, whether through honesty or propaganda, and they don't need enemy psy ops demoralising their troops and their support base.

5. They are covering up atrocities. See point 1.



The most important reason is not on your list. They dont want ops compromised or intel provided through media reports. 

That said, I think they could embed some reporters like they did in the US military.
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Reply #32 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 7:37am
 
Abu, you seem to have lost any ability to rationally, and fairly examine evidence, and arguments.
Some may identify the behaviour as symptomatic of a person who has been brainwashed, in your case, by the Islamic propaganda which you must be fed.

You are so unashamedly biased about any issue regarding Islam, that you even refuse to denounce Islamic terrorists.

You fail to accept the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

You fail to accept that they conscript civilians to limit the type of response of Israeli attacks, and even deliberately use heavily populated civilian areas to attack from, deliberately trying to provoke return fire from Israelis, that they know will result in civilian deaths, so they can use those deaths as propaganda material to demonise Israel.

You fail to acknowledge the lies, and deceit that the Islamists engage in, whether as an act of deceit on your part, or just a sign of gullibility, we can only guess at, because as you are a muslim, speaking to infidels, you are encouraged to lie and deceive by your religion, and religious leaders.

Which raises the very salient point of;
"Can you ever trust a muslim?"
As the only religion that actively encourages the immoral behaviour of lying, the obvious answer is that no, you can never really trust a muslim, and that is a huge problem for Islam, of it's own making.

You fail to acknowledge the fake videos that palestinians distribute, but whether that is by reason of stupidity or deceit, we can only guess at.

You fail to acknowledge that Hamas acts as a terrorist organisation, and not a military force, in the conventional interpretation, and that they refuse to follow conventional rules of war.

So in short;
YOU FAIL


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Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 4:30pm
 
January 10, 2009
CNN Defends their Pallywood Error. Let’s See Mr. Mashharawi’s Rushes
Filed under: Intimidation of MSM, Media, Pallywood, al Durah Affair — Richard Landes @ 6:59 pm — Print This Post

The CNN footage from the Gaza Hospital is still hotly contested. Follow the multiple postings at LGF and an update at Powerline. Here below, I deal with CNN’s defense of the footage in detail because it so resembles the kinds of arguments that Charles Enderlin made about his own monumental gaffe with Talal abu Rahmeh and his “Al Durah” story.

January 9, 2009 — Updated 0034 GMT (0834 HKT)

Gaza video genuine, journalists say

You wouldn’t know it from the title, but there’s only one “journalist” whose opinion is cited in the article (unless Mashharawi the cameraman under suspicion is also considered a journalist).

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(CNN) — There’s no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer’s brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team’s employer.

In the video, camerman Ashraf Mashharawi is seen holding his brother.

“It’s absolute nonsense,” Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.

“He’s a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother,” Martin said. “I know the whole family. I know them very well. … [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. … This is ridiculous. He’s independent.”


I don’t know much about Paul Martin, but it’s clear he spends lots of time in Gaza, and manages to have considerable access to Hamas “militants” whose narrative he seems to feel the world needs to understand. In any case this remark is nothing short of breathtaking. Mashharawi’s about as “independent” as Diana Buttu.

The idea that a cameraman working in Gaza is not a militant for the Palestinian cause (perhaps not Hamas, but even that’s unlikely in the last years), is close to preposterous. No genuine independent could survive there for any period of time.

But the rhetoric is crucial here. Just like Charles Enderlin defending Talal, the ploy here is to present Palestinian cameramen as living up to the highest Western standards of journalism. And of course, this is only for public consumption. As Charles told me off the record when I pointed out that Talal’s rushes were full of staged scenes, “Oh sure, they do this all the time.” But on the record, “Talal is a top journalist.”

As for the “I know the whole family…” that’s just what Charles told me that Talal would never lie to him because their families had shared meals together. The credulity of these Western journalists who think that because they’ve sat down with their Palestinian colleagues and broken bread that means that their newfound friends would break ranks with their people’s struggle, is somewhat breathtaking.

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Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that “Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel. He died later in the hospital. He was treated by the Norwegian team. When he was brought in, he was breathing. The team did their best to save him. I am not really sure if they even tried to rush him to the surgery room, because he was badly hurt.”

Mashharawi’s video footage originally appeared on British television’s Channel 4 and later on CNN. It showed futile attempts by doctors to resuscitate Mashharawi’s 12-year-old brother, Mahmoud, after he and his 14-year-old cousin, Ahmed, had been wounded in what the family said was a rocket attack from a remote-controlled drone Sunday.

Ahmed also was taken to the hospital, but he had been fatally struck in the head and chest by shrapnel and had lost a foot, Hamdouna said. Hamdouna said the hospital records reported Ahmed’s age as 16, not 14, as the family said.

At the time of the attack, the family said, the two boys were playing on the rooftop of the family’s three-story house. The video showed a blood-splattered area where an explosion had taken place and where shrapnel had pierced the roof.

Mashharawi has regularly worked with World News and Features since 2004, Martin said. His multimedia company serves television, radio and newspapers.

Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.

The video footage appeared on CNN television networks and on CNN.com for 24 hours before CNN removed the material in the belief that it had no further right to use it. CNN, standing by the video, has since reposted it. Some bloggers had cited its removal as evidence that CNN did not stand by its reporting.


Note quite true - re internet sites.

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Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 4:30pm
 
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

This is rich. Note that CNN did not consult a doctor on this one, but Martin’s experience in Gaza.

I’ve consulted a doctor and a number of people with experience in CPR have commented both at my article at PJMedia and at LGF. But here it’s Martin’s long experience in Gaza that comes into play. There are two ways to explain this remark, neither of them working in the way Martin would like.

1) Doctors in Gaza are so incompetent that what appears to Western experts as a joke, really is their best effort. The incompetence is doubled by Martin’s qualifying remark: as commenters have noted, if the patient is dying, the CPR should be more vigorous.

2) Doctors “often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved” as long as the cameras are rolling. Maybe Martin wasn’t paying attention to that detail.

In the video of the incident, the boy appears lifeless when brought to into the hospital.

In a brief conversation with CNN, Mashharawi said that doctors tried everything they could to save his brother and that he rejected suggestions that any of his work was inauthentic.

Before bloggers made their accusations, Mashharawi told CNN, “I believed at that moment if I didn’t record that nobody will believe what’s happened to my brother. Because it is unbelievable. Until now, I can’t believe what’s happened.”

It’s not clear what’s “unbelievable. That a child would be hit by rockets in a war zone and die in a hospital is hardly unbelievable. That one needed to film it for the sake of “proof” strikes me as pretty unconvincing.

That he filmed it to arouse anger against Israel with the pathos of the scene, strikes me as more likely; and as I argued in the Gaza Beach tragedy documentary I made, this is “exploiting grief.”

To get a sense of the difference in cultures here, no Israeli cameraman would film the death of a family member (or anyone else) and then give it to Western media to show the world the plight of the Israelis. None.

What’s most appalling about this article — but will eventually, I suspect, redound to CNN’s discredit — is that they ran this article based on the denial of two already committed sources. CNN made no effort to corroborate any of this. It’s just “he said, she said.”

What we need is the rushes that Ahraf Mashharawi shot that day, that we see in edited form. Like the rushes of Talal, we’ll be able to judge better what was going on that day if we could see them. And unlike Talal’s rushes, let’s see them uncensored. I suspect we won’t, because when it comes to the clash between Palestinian journalism, channeled through advocacy journalists, the clash between narrative and evidence is so great, they cannot afford to let us see.

I may be wrong. This may be genuine footage. I am open to being convinced so. But let us see the evidence.

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/01/10/cnn-defends-their-pallywood-error-lets-see-mr-mashharawis-rushes/
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Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 4:32pm
 
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Reply #36 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:49pm
 
CNN's Staged Video Updates: The Norwegian Connection
Media | Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:09:37 am PST

European LGF reader “morning star” points out another interesting connection between the Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, and “freelance photographer” Ashraf Mashharawi:

Please note that Mads Gilbert knows or is part of a group in his home town Tromsoe in Norway, who long have planned to make a film together with Ashraf Mashharawi (the famous “freelance cameraman” in the video).

See

http://www.tromso-gaza.no/styrereferat081008.pdf

and

http://www.tromso-gaza.no/styrereferat081111.pdf

This group, which promotes friendship between Tromsoe and Gaza, also met Ahmed Mashharawi, a film maker with whom Ashraf Mashharawi has worked together, at a film festival.

This means Gilbert and Mahharawi probably knew each other before this incident.

And more connections surface; here’s a 15-minute documentary at the Danish site counteract.tv, titled “From the Camp.“

http://counteract.tv/?user=NUFFGlobal&slug=from_the_camp(0)

The credits contain several names that will be familiar if you’ve followed the threads:

Cameraman & Director: Ahmed Mashharawi
Script: Raid Dawoud
Editing: Ashraf Mashharawi
Narrator: Paul Martin

UPDATE at 1/10/09 12:04:46 pm:

Translations of the PDF files linked above:

translate.google.com...

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tr...

translate.google.com...

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tr...
(Hat tip: Sugiero.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32407_CNNs_Staged_Video_Updates-_The_Nor...
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Reply #37 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:55pm
 
CNN's Staged Video Updates

Media | Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:17:11 am PST

Here’s an interesting update to the story of the obviously staged video from Gaza promoted and vouched for by CNN.

The company that provided this video story to CNN and several other news outlets is World News & Features, as we pointed out yesterday after CNN published their defense of the piece.

At the lower right of the World News & Features front page, we find a link to Nepras.net as the designer of the site.

A WHOIS lookup for worldnf.tv reveals that the domain is hosted by Nepras.net:

Domain Name: WORLDNF.TV
Created on: 07-Feb-06
Expires on: 07-Feb-09
Last Updated on: 07-Feb-08

Administrative Contact:
Martin, Paul
World News & Features
High gatte
London N6 6AT
United Kingdom

Technical Contact:
Martin, Paul
World News & Features
High gate
London N6 6AT
United Kingdom

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.NEPRAS.NET
NS2.NEPRAS.NET

And the primary contact and general manager for Nepras.net is none other than the “freelance photographer” who filmed that hospital scene, Ashraf Mashharawi.

Overnight, I received several more emails from doctors and Emergency Medical Technicians (EMTs), all expressing the opinion that the video is staged and that the “CPR” shown is an obvious fraud, for many reasons. So far, not one doctor has written to say the technique shown in the video might be genuine.

UPDATE at 1/10/09 11:21:43 am:

And more connections to Hamas; the official website of the Hamas television station (Aqsa TV) was registered by Mashharawi’s company:

Domain Name: aqsatv.ps
Creation Date: 2006-03-13
Expiration Date: 2009-03-13
Status: Active

Domain Name Owner:
Name: aqsatv
Address: gaza
Tel:[redacted]
Fax:
Country: Palestine

Administrative Contact:
Name: aqsatv
Address: gaza
Tel: [redacted]
Fax:
Country: Palestine

Technical Contact:
Name: aqsatv
Address: gaza
Tel: [redacted]
Fax:
Country: Palestine

Registrar:
Name: Nepras For Media & IT
Address: [redacted]
Tel: [redacted]
Fax: [redacted]
WebSite: www.nepras.com

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Reply #38 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:57pm
 
UPDATE at 1/9/09 6:34:14 pm:

CNN now responds to the charge that Mashharawi worked for a company that operates Hamas websites:

Quote:
Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.


According to Internet Haganah’s database of terror website hosts, in 2004 nepras.net, which lists Mashharawi as general manager, was the operator of the main Hamas website and the website of Hamas’ radio station Voice of Al Aqsa.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:d_tSK-nSF74J:internet-haganah.us/hmedia/05s...

UPDATE at 1/9/09 6:51:37 pm:

This is the website of World News & Features, cited by CNN as a reliable source for news from Gaza. Please excuse me while I laugh.

http://www.worldnf.tv/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32404_CNN_Says_the_Video_is_Genuine
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Reply #39 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 6:19pm
 
Well I don't need convincing, I clicked on the video, before I read your post which said it was fake, and as an ex lifesaver, who used CPR for real, I immediately thought, "what the heck is he doing?", when the doctor was doing the, to my eyes, 'OBVIOUSLY' fake CPR.

Then I read your post, which was someone with even more experience of using CPR, saying exactly the same thing I thought.

What is most amazing is that anyone would try and defend what was portrayed, as looking even remotely real.
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Reply #40 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 6:24pm
 
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What is most amazing is that anyone would try and defend what was portrayed, as looking even remotely real


Yes, well being an apologist is a full time job, defend the indefensible, promote the unbelievable, twist, deny, obfuscate until hopefully people give up. Muddy the waters with doubt - Al Taqiyya is your duty habibi.

They can lie for now - the infidels will know the truth - soon enough.
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Calanen wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am:
The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.


this actualy isn't that strange. people in war aren't always walking around wailing and screaming. they do carry on as best they can- but if there's a camera around of course they're going to use the opportunity to air their grievances.
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Reply #42 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:00pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:51am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am:
The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.


this actualy isn't that strange. people in war aren't always walking around wailing and screaming. they do carry on as best they can- but if there's a camera around of course they're going to use the opportunity to air their grievances.


But it wasnt true, did you read the article? The IDF had given them a big pile of food.
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Reply #43 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 12:56pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:00pm:
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:51am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am:
The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.


this actualy isn't that strange. people in war aren't always walking around wailing and screaming. they do carry on as best they can- but if there's a camera around of course they're going to use the opportunity to air their grievances.


But it wasnt true, did you read the article? The IDF had given them a big pile of food.


I highlighted that snippet for a reason- to say that their changing expressions in and of itself are not enough to say it wasn't true. so if one saw it in another video you couldn't say- oh well they all of a sudden became sullen or angry so it mustn't be true.

I'm not saying this video is real I'm just saying that if you look at that 'piece of evidence', it's not really evidence at all as the reaction would not be an unusual one
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