I am astounded by the vehemence of those that fall for the extreme left wing propagandists, the same lunatics who helped khomeini turn Iran into the shining light of civilisation and human rights we see under Islamic theocracy.

Also, the anti-jewish sentiment is worrying.

I have to ask what do they think Israel should do?

Should they leave the middle east?

If they say to stop attacking palestinians, could they explain how to stop the palestinians continually firing rockets at them all the time, whether they are being attacked or not?

Could they say if they recognise Hamas as an Islamist terrorist group, who use Islamic jihad as justification for attacking jews?

Could they lay out there plans for peace?

I will not hold my breath waiting.

I have seen plenty attack Israel, but none offering alternative courses of actions they could employ to ensure their security.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 11:50am:


Just because I point out the war crimes being committed by the jews does not mean I support Islam, I support no religion, what I support is the right of all people to live in peace.
It is all well and good to say they did this they did that but just because you hate muslims you support jews? they are both to blame but if anyone is game enough to point that out they are anti semetic, give me a break ,it sounds like a sienfield episode.
There is no way for peace in the middle east, it willl always be as it has always been.

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The one thing worse , in terms of achieving a lasting resolution, is not that both sides are wrong, it's that both sides are right,  and greatly right.

This is written by a member of the Australian government, are they anti semitic?
All you Islam haters will say so no doubt, read a few facts and try not to let your hate of Islam get in the way.

Julie Erwin is a member of the federal Labor government and she writes-




"YOU'VE got to hand it to the Israeli public relations flacks: only they could convince you that killing children was an act of self-defence.

As the recent bombing of Gaza began, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni gave instructions for the Foreign Ministry to take "emergency measures to adapt Israel's public relations to the ongoing escalation in the Gaza Strip". Livni went on to call for foreign language speakers to put Israel's case to the world.

In Australia, the ABC relies for "independent" comment on the smooth Mark Regev, an official spokesman for the Israeli Government, and Martin Indyk, a former official of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

It's the oldest trick in the book: if they look and sound like us, we are more likely to be sympathetic towards them. Anyone putting an alternative view is immediately cast as anti-Semitic. Our media glibly accept the excuses of the Israeli public relations machine and ignore the horrific realities of Israel's barbaric behaviour in Gaza.

It's the same in most Western countries - the groundwork has been laid and the responses of world leaders are predictable. When the Israeli attacks began, right on cue Western leaders regretted the killing of children but in the same breath condemned Palestinians for firing rockets from their walled ghetto into Israel.
It seems that no matter what injustice Palestinians have suffered in the past 60 years, they should be grateful for the privilege of being able to live under the jackboot of Israeli occupation.

For three years since daring to democratically elect a government not favoured by Israel or the US, the people of Gaza have been subjected to a starvation blockade. Yet the civilised world has barely raised a note of concern. Is this the standard by which we judge the behaviour of nations? We talk about Darfur and Zimbabwe but say little of the gross abuse of human rights that occurs daily in the illegally occupied territories of the West Bank and Gaza. Our double standards have made a mockery of the doctrine of humanitarian intervention.

Our failure to condemn the totally disproportionate, not to say illegal, attacks by the Israeli Defence Force has changed the way conflict is regarded around the world. Last August, Russia employed the same tactics in its attack on Georgia as Israel did against Lebanon.
Using cluster bombs or phosphorus bombs against civilian targets is perfectly legal if you can believe the Israeli Defence Force.

Assassinating Hamas leaders during a ceasefire does not constitute a breach. Collective punishments against communities, obstructing medical and humanitarian relief - all part of Israel's tactics - could now be considered acceptable behaviour in national and international conflict.
Last month, Falk called for an International Criminal Court investigation to determine whether the Israeli civilian leaders and military commanders responsible for the Gaza siege should be indicted and prosecuted for violations of international criminal law.

To that long list of war crimes and crimes against humanity we can now add the atrocities committed in this recent invasion. But, with its superior public relations forces, Israel can easily deflect concern about its barbaric assault."

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:29pm:

I know what you mean helian but if you believe   what I read here all followers of Islam seem to be classed as extremists, but you have as much chance of stopping that as you do the zionists and neo cons.

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Actually I separate Palestinian people from extremist hamas. So that was another emotional fib coming from you.

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But they did not convinced you. Right? That makes Julie Erwin a dirty lier especially as she tells her lies using parliamentary privileges. And as I said before lies are lies not facts as you pretend them to be.