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Question: Should Israel have a right to exist?

Yes    
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No    
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Only under certain conditions    
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Undecided    
  0 (0.0%)
Spank me    
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Total votes: 11
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Israel's right to exist
Jan 11th, 2009 at 9:35pm
 
Besides Abu, who here believes that Israel has no right to exist?

What other countries have no right to exist because one of the many militant empires they were once part of happens to be Islam? Spain?

Interestingly, here Abu rejects Ghandi style resistance, not because it wouldn't bring peace, but because it wouldn't destroy Israel.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231437960/30#30
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 9:58pm
 
Can't you see the irony in you using Spain here freediver?

Muslims returning to Spain would be the same as Jews returning to Palestine. It is in fact counter to your point, not an augmentation to it.
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 10:23pm
 
cant you see the stupidity in your beliefs Abu?
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 10:57pm
 
No it wouldn't Abu, because I don't see the world as patches of land 'owned' by a religion.
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Reply #4 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 5:07am
 

Ok then, let's goto the topic at hand, why does Israel have a right to exist? What ddo you think are the reasons that a Jewish state should exist in Palestine and the Palestinians be subject to the 'transfer' policy outlined by the early Zionist leaders, and which has largely come to fruition?

Surely the transfer of a people who were 98% of the population before the project began is no small issue, and there must be some great pressing reasons behind why it was right, and continues to be right, right?
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Reply #5 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 6:54am
 
There was never any palestine as such and never any palestinians...  there were however jews in the mandate of palestine.  just as there were arabs...  now the arabs hold 75-80% of the mandate.

How thick are you and how many more times must I repeat myself?
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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 7:04am
 

Grendel, are you really such an ignoramus that you believe the concocted argument that if you divide the land up into an arbitrarily bigger chunk therefore the Arabs got more? ie. we could also say that out of all the British mandates, Arabs got about 98%, and if we go further and say that out of all the mandates Arabs got about 99.99%.... Those are just meaningless figures on paper, the fact is the Arabs of Palestine (call them eskimoes if you like, I don't care, they call themselves Palestinians) have been largely displaced from their homes, and Jews have moved in and taken their homes. They razed hundreds perhaps thousands of villages to the ground and ethnically cleansed them. Even many Israeli historians  are now admitting this.

You can speak all this crap about BMP all you like, but even that, I showed you was a load of crap, Transjordan was only included in the mandate for 1 year of the 28 years it was in existence, and was never even administered with the mandate, but from a seperate location.... You've been blitzed on this one, but still you keep coming back for more... Do you just enjoy looking like a clueless fool?
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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:49am
 
Well I had no preference for jews, or muslims, until muslims made themselves the most unpopular people on earth, through their bad behaviour, and now, I would back the jews any day.

You talk of ethnic cleansing as if it were some arbitrary political ideology adopted by Israel, rather than a forced necessity, brought on by continual attacks on their people by crazy Islamists, so I blame Islam, for spurring the palestinians to so much violence, that they left Israel no other viable option, but to remove the threat, exactly the same as what is happening in gaza today.

Arabs have vast tracts of land that they could offer to their palestinian brothers in Islam, if they wanted to find a peaceful home, and create a productive community, but we all know that such is not the true agenda of the palestinian extremists, the want jihad, and they want to inspire others to jihad, they want to eradicate the jews from the planet, all because of their insane religious prejudices, and that is evil and wrong in any sane persons view.

Until Islam changes, from its violent ways, then it will remain the enemy of freedom and civilised people the world over, not just in Israel.
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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 11:40am
 
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Ok then, let's goto the topic at hand, why does Israel have a right to exist?


Because they exist.

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we could also say that out of all the British mandates, Arabs got about 98%, and if we go further and say that out of all the mandates Arabs got about 99.99%.... Those are just meaningless figures on paper


It sounds like a good deal to me. Why is it meaningless? For an empire that fell to the British I think they got off lightly. They should be thgankful that the British didn't apply Islamic standards to the people they conquered. They also manufactured a very similar fairytale of a superior culture that the savages accepted with open arms. They just didn't force this fairytale onto the losers with such enthusiasm.

I just can't understand why you complain so bitterly about this treatment, but if the situation were reversed you would support far crueler treatement.
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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 2:11pm
 
Dear mindless muslim Abu....  transjordan dear boy was originally... from the beginning etc,etc, etc  part of the mandate.  Do brush up on your history I've posted at least 5 articles here explaining everything to you...
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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 2:27pm
 
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Well I had no preference for jews, or muslims, until muslims made themselves the most unpopular people on earth, through their bad behaviour, and now, I would back the jews any day.


Until Islam changes, from its violent ways, then it will remain the enemy of freedom and civilised people the world over, not just in Israel.


Yes I think Abu has done more here for the Jewish cause than any Jewish person could ever do  Grin
I wonder if he's a plant?
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 3:41pm
 
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I think Abu has done more here for the Jewish cause than any Jewish person could ever do
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Yes indeed Ammad, as western liberals, such as ourselves, try to look for reasons to give muslims the opportunity to develop their culture/religion, along peaceful lines, we are confronted by supposed 'moderates', like Abu, who justify violence done in Islams name, as just and fair, while every act of the west is deemed criminal.

The search for true moderates, is rarely fruitful, and without them, Islam is doomed to wallow in the violence of their own creation.
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:21pm
 
Grendel,

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was originally... from the beginning


The BMP was founded in 1920. Transjordan was not added to it till 1921. It was then removed in 1922... You are wrong, face up to the facts.
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:22pm
 
mozzaok,

You were quite hostile to Islam from day one since I've been here. You're pathetic attempt to claim I convinced you to become anti-Islamic is just nonsense. Not only are you a bigot, you're a dishonest one.
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Reply #14 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:49pm
 
Amadd wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 2:27pm:
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Well I had no preference for jews, or muslims, until muslims made themselves the most unpopular people on earth, through their bad behaviour, and now, I would back the jews any day.


Until Islam changes, from its violent ways, then it will remain the enemy of freedom and civilised people the world over, not just in Israel.


Yes I think Abu has done more here for the Jewish cause than any Jewish person could ever do  Grin
I wonder if he's a plant?




psssst!
......Yes, i think that abu is really working for Mossad.
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