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Question: Should Israel have a right to exist?

Yes    
  6 (54.5%)
No    
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Only under certain conditions    
  1 (9.1%)
Undecided    
  0 (0.0%)
Spank me    
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Total votes: 11
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Reply #45 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 7:20am
 
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The Age‘s elevated shot doesn’t reveal such fascinating detail. AAP merely describes people “carrying placards calling for an end to what was described as a ‘massacre’”. Meanwhile, in Paris:


Vandals hurled Molotov cocktails at a synagogue in a Paris suburb yesterday in the latest outbreak of anti-Semitic violence in France since the start of Israel’s Gaza offensive …

Home to Europe’s biggest Muslim and Jewish populations, France has recorded more than 55 anti-Semitic incidents since Israel launched its Gaza offensive last month, drawing appeals for calm from politicians and religious leaders. Three other synagogues have been firebombed in the past two weeks and vandals have sprayed anti-Israeli graffiti on at least two other Jewish places of worship.

Jews haven’t been so vilified since Islamists attacked the US on 9/11.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/commen...

Some more everday people at an everyday rally, giving the kiddies signs wishing for another Holocaust - fun for all the family with the Religion of Peace.
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Reply #46 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 9:39am
 
That's just sick, putting a sign like that in a child's hands. Those people are living a comfortable life in Paris, yet they want to turn it into a war zone. No doubt they will claim victimhood too, yet I don't see any French holding up signs calling for Muslims to be slaughtered. Perhaps this is what Abu means by Islam spreading through self defence. If a Jew on the other side of the world attacks a Muslim, Muslims must defend themselves by slaughtering Jews.
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Reply #47 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 4:43pm
 
Israil soft cocks, bowing to international pressure, should have driven hamas to extinction. Hamas will still fire rockets and start it all again.
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Reply #48 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 7:11pm
 
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If a Jew on the other side of the world attacks a Muslim, Muslims must defend themselves by slaughtering Jews.


Although that sign is disturbing, can you blame them? The Jewish experience of massacres doesn't seem to have taught them anything. Instead they went right on doing the same thing to another people. It's not uncommon for victims to offend in the exact same crime they were victim of. And so the circle goes  on.

I find it quite bizarre that if the Zionists slaughter 1300 innocent civilians, you are on the sidelines cheering. Yet if Muslims hold up a sign (Which quite obviously is meant to cause the Jews to reflect on what happened to them, when doing the same to others) you're absolutely horrified. You're really one of the biggest hypocrites i've come across in a long time fd.
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Reply #49 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 7:24pm
 
At least the Nazis tried to destroy the Jews but all the Muslims do is talk and talk about destroying Israel but DO NOTHING, gutless weak people. But oh dont they cry when something happens to them. Why dont you raise an Army and fight, too scared I rekon.
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Reply #50 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 7:26pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 7:11pm:
If a Jew on the other side of the world attacks a Muslim, Muslims must defend themselves by slaughtering Jews.


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Although that sign is disturbing, can you blame them?


Yes.

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The Jewish experience of massacres doesn't seem to have taught them anything.


The Jews massacred members of the Third Reich? Do tell.

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Instead they went right on doing the same thing to another people.


What a crock. Yeah the Jews built Zyklon B showers and machine gunned Palestinians systematically in the Final Solution. Its outrageous that you would seek to compare them.

And that sign says, that the Jews should have been attacked by the Third Reich further.

What previous people were there? If the Israelis wanted to massacre Palestinians, there would be no Palestinians, no Gaza and no West Bank. Their 'massacre' extends as far as whoever Hamas uses as human shields.

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It's not uncommon for victims to offend in the exact same crime they were victim of. And so the circle goes  on.


On the basis of what.

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I find it quite bizarre that if the Zionists slaughter 1300 innocent civilians, you are on the sidelines cheering.


All innocent civilians? Not one member of Hamas (even the Interior Minister?)

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Yet if Muslims hold up a sign (Which quite obviously is meant to cause the Jews to reflect on what happened to them, when doing the same to others) you're absolutely horrified.


It is one of the most hateful and anti-semitic signs I have sign in a long time, given to a *little kid*, calling for the Third Reich to have done more. Done more what? More concentration camps? The kid knows no better, shes a little kid - but the Religion of Peace ought to know better - they dont of course, nothing is too low for its followers. That's not a legitimate protest against Israel, that is cheering on the Third Reich and saying they should have done more to kill Jews.

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You're really one of the biggest hypocrites i've come across in a long time fd.


You're one of the biggest users of hyperbole and vitriolic diatribe I've come across in a long time.
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Reply #51 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 7:29pm
 
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Why dont you raise an Army and fight, too scared I rekon.


Because they'd get their asses handed to them like they did in 1948, 1967 and 1973.
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Reply #52 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:22pm
 
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Although that sign is disturbing, can you blame them?


Yes I can. Like I said, Those people are living a comfortable life in Paris, yet they want to turn it into a war zone. It's that sort of mentality that causes all the problems in the first place.

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Instead they went right on doing the same thing to another people.


Are you saying Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews? I think you'd have a tough time justifying that accusation.
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Reply #53 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:22pm:
Yes I can. Like I said, Those people are living a comfortable life in Paris, yet they want to turn it into a war zone. It's that sort of mentality that causes all the problems in the first place.


Given you unconditional support for Israel and its murder of over 300 children, in addition to hundreds of innocent civilians, forgive us if we don't take your advice when it comes to 'mentalities that cause all the problems in first place'.

I don't know...but I think supporting the murder of children 'is a mentality that causes problems'...but hey, thats just me.

freediver wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:22pm:
Are you saying Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews? I think you'd have a tough time justifying that accusation.


Call it genocide, ethnic cleansing, aparthied, or a holocaust. Whatever you want....the sheer size may differ, however, the end result is the same.

Pain and suffering, and the weak are the victims.

Palestinians have had to endure 60 years of it, and scum like you support their suffering.
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Reply #54 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:47pm
 
Allah have unconditional support for Israel. It is rather obvious from the events of last 60 years.
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Reply #55 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:01pm
 
tallowood wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:47pm:
Allah have unconditional support for Israel. It is rather obvious from the events of last 60 years.


Allah 'has'...not 'have'.

Get it right dopey. Cheesy
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Reply #56 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:47pm
 
Yes, if Allah is looking after you, maybe you should have an election and vote in a new black Allah
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Reply #57 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 4:41pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:01pm:
tallowood wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:47pm:
Allah have unconditional support for Israel. It is rather obvious from the events of last 60 years.


Allah 'has'...not 'have'.

Get it right dopey. Cheesy


According to koran Allah have multiple personalities so usage of have is very appropriate. Of course it could be due to mohamed the pro misspeling. Lestat, was mohamed good, average or bad speller?


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Reply #58 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 5:35pm
 
I don't think israel has a right to exist in the sense that I don't believe it should have been set up in the first place, causing the dispossession of the original inhabitants.

as it is set up now however and people have been born there and inhabit there- what to do? I dont thnk the original injustice should be repeated by dispossessing israelis from the area

I have heard about a one state solution which sounded viable and I have heard about two state solutions also. but it's always the solution to the problem which is the tricky part of it. I wish I knew the answer definitively
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Reply #59 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 5:38pm
 
I honestly don't think a one state solution could work. Too much bad blood.
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