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Reply #45 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 8:52pm
 
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According to the great abominable Christian lie... they killed Christ. Christianity has been a vicious and spiteful rival of Judaism almost from its birth.


Maybe they did - or didn't kill him.  The wording on so many religious books changes continually over the years - who knows for sure if a man called Jesus Christ even existed? 

I didn't know Judaism and Christianity were rivals.
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Reply #46 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 8:58pm
 
So anyway, the Romans crucified Jesus.

At the request of the Jews.

Jews were not present for the crucifixion, at least not in the context to see Jesus go down, but Romans were.

Jesus asked God for forgiveness for the people who did not know what they had done, that being the Romans, one would presume.

The Apostles condemned the Jews.

Romans set up Roman Catholicism, trying to help the poor guy they killed, might have something to do with in those days, if you killed the leader of a group, you became leader of that group. Primitive, tribal reasoning, but possibly set up in good faith for they realised the wrong they had done. Possibly.

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Reply #47 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 9:18pm
 
easel wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 8:58pm:
So anyway, the Romans crucified Jesus.

At the request of the Jews.

Jews were not present for the crucifixion, at least not in the context to see Jesus go down, but Romans were.

Jesus asked God for forgiveness for the people who did not know what they had done, that being the Romans, one would presume.

The Apostles condemned the Jews.

Romans set up Roman Catholicism, trying to help the poor guy they killed, might have something to do with in those days, if you killed the leader of a group, you became leader of that group. Primitive, tribal reasoning, but possibly set up in good faith for they realised the wrong they had done. Possibly.

Thoughts?

The Jews did not ask the Romans to execute Jesus. The Sanhedrim (Jewish Council) already had the power to execute Jews for blasphemy if they wished and did not need to bother th Roman governor with the details nor ask his approval.

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From Josephus – “Antiquities of the Jews” 14:9:4
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Antipater's son, hath slain Hezekiah, and those that were with him, and hath thereby transgressed our law, which hath forbidden to slay any man, even though he were a wicked man, unless he had been first condemned to suffer death by the Sanhedrim yet hath he been so insolent as to do this, and that without any authority from thee."

When Herod himself (Antipater's son) was summoned to appear before the Sanhedrim on the charge of murder, he did so surrounded by bodyguards, in order to intimidate the council. It worked. The trial was ‘put off to another day’ which allowed Herod to flee Jerusalem for Damscus and thus avoid the sentence of death being pronounced on him by the Sanhedrim.

Then there’s the stoning of Stephen for blasphemy – Acts 6:8 – 8:3.

And St Paul’s invocation of his rights as a Roman citizen to be tried before Caesar to avoid the possible death sentence being passed on him by the Sanhedrim for blasphemy.

Also, the Sanhedrim did not meet at night (or on the Sabbath), so there could not have been a trial of Jesus before the Council after he was arrested.

So the New Testament assertion that the Sanhedrim claimed they did not have the power to put a man to death is a lie and is contradicted in the New Testament.

The Romans executed Jesus for sedition. When Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey he was invoking the Davidic coronation ceremony, thus declaring himself the rightful King of the Jews. This was a seditious act which spurred the Roman governor/procurator of Judea, Pontius Pilate to act with lethal force. There would be no pretenders to a Judaic throne unapproved by Rome. No doubt the Sanhedrim were hardly concerned about the fate of an eccentric zealot, but they did not request his execution.

Christianity began as a branch of Judaism or a Jewish heresy depending on your point of view. From the end of the first century it was largely a Pauline construct and over the next 2 centuries deviated from Judaism as to be considered a new religion. Rivalry with Judaism, however, continued and soon Jews came to be vilified by Christians throughout the Roman Empire.
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Reply #48 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 9:51pm
 
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Jews are never going to blow me up on the subway. Or have a protest where they smash things and throw bottles.


Never say never. If the West starts withdrawing support for Israel, I think you'd soon find out this is a very wrong assumption. Remember the King David Hotel? The Zionists blew it up to kill the British, they also assassinated a few leading British politicians in Palestine as well. Just because they're not currently in the position they need to, doesn't mean they're not more than capable of it, nor that it won't happen in future

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Or have a jihad.


So what do you call the war and policy of ethnic cleansing they've been carrying out for the past 60 years? Ohh.. it's not against so, you it's fine. Have to remember that one.

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Or form a gang rape club


Never heard of Lavrenti Pavlovich Beria? I'm sure there's been plenty of Jewish gang rapists throughout history.

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Or run ethnic crime gangs that control most of the drugs and protection rackets


How about the Kosher Nostra?? Jewish mafia gangs have been very active for many years. In fact many of them raised funds to send to support Israel, and fled to Israel for protection when they were on the run in their 'host' countries.

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Or support other countries against their own supposedly 'native' country.


For someone who claims to be a lawyer, you really come across as quite uneducated Calanen. Either that or you're just deliberately concealing what you know is the truth, in order to further your propagandous aims. Never heard of the Rosenbergs?? or Morton Sobel or Harry Gold or Jonathan Pollard?? Some of these were very high profile cases, like the Rosenbergs and Pollard who Israel has since granted citizenship to and consstantly lobbies the USA to release to them, so he can be decorated as a hero. The USA has always been riddled with Mossad agents, and I don't know why you think Australia wouldn't be. Our Intelligence services are just too gullible to actually discover it. Who would think one of your closest allies was actually engaged in hostile espionage activities against you... Really, some people can be so stupid and docile sometimes.

Then of course there is the case of the Israeli diplomat who was quite secretly expelled from Canberra, Amir Lati, which Howard never explained why.... But of course Israel is our friend, so don't get suspicious or anything.

The funny thing is, most links to this story on Australian news websites seem to have mysteriously 'disappeared', luckily you can still read about it on NZ news sites, where two of those involved in the operations were actually gaoled, for 3 months no less.
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Reply #49 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:01pm
 
Btw came across this interesting article about Jewish organised crime whilst looking for links to the Amir Lati case:

Israeli police involved in Gangland revenge attacks. Must be all lies though, because Jews are just angels according to Calanen's unbiased appraisal.
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Reply #50 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:04pm
 
"Remember the King David Hotel? "

Remember Mumbai? remember thousands of other muslim terrorists brutal and indiscriminate acts of wanton wish for murder?

Say NO to islamisation of the West.
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Reply #51 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:06pm
 
Another interesting article on this issue of the nice friendly Zionists who aren't involved in organised crime nor anti-partiotic activities:

Nearly 100 Israelis arrested relating to espionage and organised crime
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Reply #52 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:13pm
 
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Remember Mumbai? remember thousands of other muslim terrorists brutal and indiscriminate acts of wanton wish for murder?


Since my post didn't assert whatsoever that Muslims aren't involved in attacks on civilians, that's really quite irrelevant. Calanen however did assert that Jews are not involved in such attacks, so there's some relevance to me posting that..... Make sense?
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Reply #53 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:19pm
 
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Reply #54 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:26pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
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Remember Mumbai? remember thousands of other muslim terrorists brutal and indiscriminate acts of wanton wish for murder?


Since my post didn't assert whatsoever that Muslims aren't involved in attacks on civilians, that's really quite irrelevant. Calanen however did assert that Jews are not involved in such attacks, so there's some relevance to me posting that..... Make sense?



It sounds like you really don't remember the particulars of KD hotel bombing.
In any case Calanen is right about "are" while you trying again to confuse it with "were".

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Reply #55 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:35pm
 
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didn't Pilate wash his hands of the affair and considered that Jesus was of no harm and was placating to the Jewish rulers so as not to cause unrest in the land?
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Reply #56 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:42pm
 
Jesus also fixed Pilates migraine for good so the procurator of Judea did not hate him personally but as a Roman Imperial Magistrate he had an obligation to kill any one who had challenged imperial authority.

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Reply #57 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:56pm
 
easel wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:35pm:
helian,

didn't Pilate wash his hands of the affair and considered that Jesus was of no harm and was placating to the Jewish rulers so as not to cause unrest in the land?

The New Testament also implies that Pilate was a ditherer when in fact he was a brutal enforcer, even a bit too brutal for the Roman palate. Judea was a hot spot for insurrection and sedition against Rome and Pilate was appointed by Rome to show the Judeans what’s what. Jesus made an overt attempt at insurrection and sedition when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey. The symbolism was profound and every Jew would have known what it meant – A Davidic coronation was taking place – the Messiah King had arrived. Perhaps Jesus in his own idiosyncratic way was trying to prompt God to perform a miracle, rouse the people and herald a new Jewish regime. Whatever he thought, it failed. He marched up to the temple and caused a disturbance. He was subsequently arrested. The New Testament claims it was the Sanhedrim that arrested him and tried him for blasphemy of which he was found guilty. Then the Sanhedrim determined he must die for this crime but they could not authorise it as they had no law to put a man to death which is an outright fabrication that Josephus and even the New Testament contradict. Had they in fact tried and convicted him of blasphemy, they could have ordered his execution by stoning as they did with Stephen and what they most likely had in mind for Paul, had he not invoked his rights as a Roman citizen.

Pilate did not find him harmless and was at any rate quite happy to execute all enemies of Rome as a warning to other or more serious threats to Roman rule. His crime was posted above him “Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews”. The warning could not have been more clear.
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