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ISLAM must CHANGE
Jan 12^th, 2009 at 4:28am

What things must Islam do to become acceptable to the rest of the world?

1/ Stop lying to non-Muslims.
2/ Stop trying to be the worlds only religion and way of life.
3/ Respect other religions and beliefs.
4/ Educate its followers. (In reality)
5/ Embrace modernity.
6/ Allow Freedom of Religion.
7/ Be more tolerant and forgiving.
8/ Embrace Democracy.
9/ End barbarism.
10/ Recognise and denounce all terrorism and terrorists.
11/ Abolish Jizya. (and the associated attitudes)
12/ Embrace secularisation.

Well there is a dozen to start things off...

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Reply #1 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 4:33am

Who cares? God will sort it out, we all meet up with him eventually, and then we get what we deserve.

Don't believe in God? Believe death is just ceasing to live, nothing, the 'pre birth' argument?

Why not kill yourself then? I mean, when you're dead, you're dead right? That's what atheists think right?

I reckon if you kill yourself you end up in Hell.

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Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 4:53am

I mean, seriously, no matter how hard you try to save the world, explain to people what is going on, at the expense of your own reputation and credibility, and continue to get dismissed by those living in the fantasy land created by the puppet masters, they still don't care and desperately cling on to their false realities for some bizarre reason.

No matter how hard you pray for people to be saved, no one cares or tries to do anything.

I'm not going to pray for anyone anymore. If I think I do the wrong thing, I'll pray for forgiveness. Not going to ask God to help anyone, quite clearly he knows what he is doing. If he chooses to not get involved, his business, if he chooses to step in and do something, his business. Maybe he is just letting us do our own thing so he can judge how we behaved. I have a feeling Heaven is going to be a very lonely place for whoever is lucky enough to get in.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 4:55am Well that's all very nice easel... but do you agree or disagree and if you agree what changes do you think need to be made?
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 5:01am Quote: Cos I'm a brat and I know everything and I talk back Cos I'm not listening to anything you say And if you count to three - one, two, three You'll see it's no emergency You'll see I'm not the enemy Just a prisoner of society
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Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 5:10am

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1632&Itemid=439

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Most Arabs and most Muslims, as in the west, are tired of conflict, want to focus on economic development and on building their houses, schooling their children and on buying their motor-bikes, cars, mobile phones and hand-held devices, browsing the internet, visiting shopping malls and planning holidays. Against western perceptions, people are actually walking away, mentally and physically, from extremism, conflicts and politics and many will walk away from religion too if it becomes too tainted with these things. They won’t argue, they will just drift away.

Most of the rest of the world is getting on with life and increasingly fed up with stories of Muslim fundamentalists, warring tribes and the underlay of rebel movements that seem increasingly intertwined with local gangsters, and warlords, all of which seem to belong more to medieval history books, rather than the 21st century.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 11:50am http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values Placing non-Muslims as second class citizens who are actively discriminated against by the justice system would be a priority. Luckily there is no Caliphate and it is unlikely to reappear. Even Muslims seem reticent to adopt the old ways.
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #7 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 12:06pm Ok, I'm gonna pray again for everything and everyone again. It's better than sulking.
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Reply #8 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 9:01pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 4:28am:

What things must Islam do to become acceptable to the rest of the world?

1/ Stop lying to non-Muslims.
2/ Stop trying to be the worlds only religion and way of life.
3/ Respect other religions and beliefs.
4/ Educate its followers. (In reality)
5/ Embrace modernity.
6/ Allow Freedom of Religion.
7/ Be more tolerant and forgiving.
8/ Embrace Democracy.
9/ End barbarism.
10/ Recognise and denounce all terrorism and terrorists.
11/ Abolish Jizya. (and the associated attitudes)
12/ Embrace secularisation.

Well there is a dozen to start things off...

"ISLAM must CHANGE"

Grendel,

No criticism of your expressed sentiment, but,

....Pigs might fly!

Grendel,

I direct you to my comments here,

"Israel accused over Gaza wounded"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231430119/10#10

".....It should be our governments policy [within Australia],
* to destroy all mosques,
* deport all imam's,
* and to deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #9 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 9:07pm Actually i think PIGS MIGHT FLY was an inappropriate comment. if i said "Islam will change" then perhaps... I note all Muslims flee from this topic... how unusual.
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Reply #10 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 9:50pm

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Why not kill yourself then? I mean, when you're dead, you're dead right? That's what atheists think right?

Well you got that arse about face easel, atheists cherish life, and respect life, because we don't treat it as an entrance exam for heaven, but our one go on the ride(of our lives Wink

).

If anyone were to want to die, it would be those who think they have eternal paradise waiting for them, a la, suicide wacko bombers, and those contenders come from the god squad, do they not?

So if you god botherers really believe you have bliss waiting, don't let me hold you back, toodle oo, send us a postcard if you get the chance.

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Reply #11 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 10:23pm

mozzaok wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 9:50pm:

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Why not kill yourself then? I mean, when you're dead, you're dead right? That's what atheists think right?

Well you got that arse about face easel, atheists cherish life, and respect life, because we don't treat it as an entrance exam for heaven, but our one go on the ride(of our lives Wink

).

If anyone were to want to die, it would be those who think they have eternal paradise waiting for them, a la, suicide wacko bombers, and those contenders come from the god squad, do they not?

So if you god botherers really believe you have bliss waiting, don't let me hold you back, toodle oo, send us a postcard if you get the chance.

mozzaok,

It is true, isn't it?

That many, many, atheists believe that we should all,

"Eat drink and be merry, because you will be a long time looking at that [coffin] lid!"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #12 - Jan 12^th, 2009 at 10:26pm

I would really like to see Islam change, and I do hope it can, but when I read the sheer bloody mindedness of the likes of Abu, who should have a far better understanding of modern culture, and freedom, willingly submit any semblance of critical analysis of the errant behaviour that Islam promotes, then I despair for the chances of seeing any positive change in my lifetime.

I think the example of christianity modernising itself, and becoming far more tolerant and liberal, shows us that change is possible amongst religious people, but the people need to lead in calling for that change, the clergy will never want to see a congregation less subjugated by their beliefs.

I also think that we may need to consider controlling Islamic education more.
Children going to school and having their heads filled with the type of propaganda that Abu comes out with, will only create greater division, and more hatred, which is something, that kids at least, should not have forced on them.

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Reply #13 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 8:23am

mozzaok wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 10:26pm:

I would really like to see Islam change, and I do hope it can, but when I read the sheer bloody mindedness of the likes of Abu, who should have a far better understanding of modern culture, and freedom, willingly submit any semblance of critical analysis of the errant behaviour that Islam promotes, then I despair for the chances of seeing any positive change in my lifetime.

I think the example of christianity modernising itself, and becoming far more tolerant and liberal, shows us that change is possible amongst religious people, but the people need to lead in calling for that change, the clergy will never want to see a congregation less subjugated by their beliefs.

I also think that we may need to consider controlling Islamic education more.
Children going to school and having their heads filled with the type of propaganda that Abu comes out with, will only create greater division, and more hatred, which is something, that kids at least, should not have forced on them.

This is ironic, given that a brief look at your posts and those of your fellow bigots indicate clearly that the only people spreading propaganda, and creating division and hate here are you.

Funny that you talk about controling our 'education'.

Whats that Mozz.....is that you wishing to once again enforce your secular ideals and way of life onto others.

Ironic huh....that you have the nerve to accuse Islam of 'wanting to rule the world'...where here you are, talking about doing just that.

And you wish to 'control' what I teach my child. [mod:

attacking the chastity of a girl without proof in Islam is a very serious crime, not to mention quite inappropriate behaviour

]...worry about your own children, and I'll worry about mine.

hows that sound?

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #14 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 8:42am You are below contempt lestat, and the most ignorant person who posts here. [mod: although your attack is perhaps justified after what Lestat said, please don't apply it to all Muslims you bigot ]
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