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Reply #30 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:39pm

Don't bother easel, I don't think there's any point.

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When we muslims are insulted almost daily...not a word is mentioned...yet here you all are squaling like b(tches when the shoe is on the other foot.

Like I said, Les is incapable of distinguishing a criticism of Islam and calling someone's daughter a slut. This is the problem with Islam - it makes criticism of religion one of the worst crimes.

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Lestat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1403	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #31 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:40pm freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:39pm: Don't bother easel, I don't think there's any point. Thats how we feel about you Freediver.....now your beginning to understand.
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pope urban 2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 271 melbourne Gender:	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #32 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:49pm Islams future is in trouble, you can only burn so many bridges before you cannot come back.
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Reply #33 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:54pm

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:39pm:

Don't bother easel, I don't think there's any point.

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When we muslims are insulted almost daily...not a word is mentioned...yet here you all are squaling like b(tches when the shoe is on the other foot.

Like I said, Les is incapable of distinguishing a criticism of Islam and calling someone's daughter a slut. This is the problem with Islam - it makes criticism of religion one of the worst crimes.

And as usual, Freediver is happy for people to attack muslim children and the way we raise them, but squeals like a hypocritical b(tch he is when someone makes similar insults to a poster, who ironically just finished insulting another poster in a very similar way.

you keep saying if freediver, however, doesn't make it right. If you are willing to insult musilms and Islam, then be aware, that your own culture, way of life, and morals (or lack of) will also be attacked and insulted.

If you don't like the heat, then get out of the kitchen.

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skippy Ex Member	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #34 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:04pm This thread title should be changed to- ALL RELIGIONS MUST CHANGE
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Reply #35 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:10pm

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:39pm:

Like I said, Les is incapable of distinguishing a criticism of Islam and calling someone's daughter a slut. This is the problem with Islam - it makes criticism of religion one of the worst crimes.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 10:26pm:

Children going to school and having their heads filled with the type of propaganda that Abu comes out with, will only create greater division, and more hatred, which is something, that kids at least, should not have forced on them.

this is not a criticism of islam, it is an attack and insult directed at all muslims, and he even names Abu...making it very much personal.

Once again Freediver, you are pathetically attempting to hide behind what you believe to be your right to insult muslims....however, once again i have exposed your nonsense for what it is.

You can argue that insulting and abusing muslims is your right all you like...however, if this is so, then I to have the right to insult and abuse you and your culture (or lack of it).

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Reply #36 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:13pm

This is a good example of what must change about Islam - hypersentivity to criticism of religion, using it to justify real attacks and taking everything a step lower, trying to undermine freedom of speech by equating criticism of religion with personal insult. It is an attack on the very fabric of our society.

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And as usual, Freediver is happy for people to attack muslim children and the way we raise them, but squeals like a hypocritical b(tch he is when someone makes similar insults to a poster, who ironically just finished insulting another poster in a very similar way.

Lestat, I don't know how many times I will have to explain this to you. I have had the same discussion with Mozz myself. I was in your position of arguing against his attacks on religion. The difference is that I did not use his opinion to try to excuse calling his daughter a slut. Not just because it would make me look like an intolerant bigot and undermine my argument, but because that crosses a line of what is acceptable and unacceptable. A line you don't seem to be capable of seeing, [mod:

Your continued attempts at relating this inappropriate comment back to something Islamic is just pathetic

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You can argue that insulting and abusing muslims is your right all you like...however, if this is so, then I to have the right to insult and abuse you and your culture (or lack of it).

See Les this is what you don't get. Criticising Islam is not abusing Muslims. You can't use it to jsutify calling someone's daughter a slut. Your hypersensitivity to criticism of religion is your problem. Don't try to make it ours.

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If you are willing to insult musilms and Islam

Undersrttand this Les. Islam is fair game. People can criticise it all they want. Learn to live with it. Other religions managed.

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Reply #37 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:15pm

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This thread title should be changed to- ALL RELIGIONS MUST CHANGE

When there is a methodist, buddhist, baptist, or jew on a bus with a timer and C4 I might agree.

Until then, only one religion needs to change. But it wont. It will only respect, and respond to the same brutality it attacks with. Islam thinks that 'tolerance' is for wimps, so it gives none. There is only one response for such thinking.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #38 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:24pm

freediver wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:13pm:

This is a good example of what must change about Islam - hypersentivity to criticism of religion, using it to justify real attacks and taking everything a step lower, trying to undermine freedom of speech by equating criticism of religion with personal insult. It is an attack on the very fabric of our society.

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And as usual, Freediver is happy for people to attack muslim children and the way we raise them, but squeals like a hypocritical b(tch he is when someone makes similar insults to a poster, who ironically just finished insulting another poster in a very similar way.

Lestat, I don't know how many times I will have to explain this to you. I have had the same discussion with Mozz myself. I was in your position of arguing against his attacks on religion. The difference is that I did not use his opinion to try to excuse calling his daughter a slut. Not just because it would make me look like an intolerant bigot and undermine my argument, but because that crosses a line of what is acceptable and unacceptable. A line you don't seem to be capable of seeing, because Islam makes criticism of religion a far greater crime.

This is a good example of the double standards and hypocricy of our resident Islamophobes...and until they actually address this they will not be taken seriously by any reasonably minded person.

This is the second time you have stated that I called his daughter a slut, and I'll ask you again, show me where I have done this.

I attacked his culture, his morals which encourage young girls to go out, drink, enjoy life, enjoy their freedom, and which often results in teenage sexual activities, this is a fact, this is your culture, this is what it promotes.

I never called her a slut, and despite your repeating the same lies again and again, the fact that you refuse or are unable to highlight where I have called her a slut, exposes your lies for what they are.

If you are to attack religon, then you have to be willing to also have your own beliefs/culture attacked....

You can explain it all you like Freediver...quite frankly you are wrong. Yes I know you believe you are right, but you are not. An insult is an insult, no mater who the victim. Their is not one set of rules for muslims, and another for all others...though I am certain that you wish (or believe) there is.

Besides...I have shown clearly that his post was not an attack on islam...is was a personal insult against muslims...a fact that you seem unable or unwilling to address.

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Reply #39 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:25pm

Calanen wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:15pm:

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This thread title should be changed to- ALL RELIGIONS MUST CHANGE

When there is a methodist, buddhist, baptist, or jew on a bus with a timer and C4 I might agree.

Until then, only one religion needs to change. But it wont. It will only respect, and respond to the same brutality it attacks with. Islam thinks that 'tolerance' is for wimps, so it gives none. There is only one response for such thinking.

C4 is a no no...but cluster bombs, white prosphorous, and cruise missiles are all ok, as long as its jews/Christians doing the bombing.

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Reply #40 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:39pm

Lestat wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:25pm:

Calanen wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:15pm:

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This thread title should be changed to- ALL RELIGIONS MUST CHANGE

When there is a methodist, buddhist, baptist, or jew on a bus with a timer and C4 I might agree.

Until then, only one religion needs to change. But it wont. It will only respect, and respond to the same brutality it attacks with. Islam thinks that 'tolerance' is for wimps, so it gives none. There is only one response for such thinking.

C4 is a no no...but cluster bombs, white prosphorous, and cruise missiles are all ok, as long as its jews/Christians doing the bombing.

Of course it is ok when use in self defence and targeting militants shooting at you or terrorists trying to self explode amongst you.

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Reply #41 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 2:09pm

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This is a good example of the double standards and hypocricy of our resident Islamophobes...and until they actually address this they will not be taken seriously by any reasonably minded person.

Lestat, it has been addressed. It is not a double standard. The standard has been explained to you time and time again. Criticism of Islam is not a personal attack on you. It is up to you to deal with it maturely, not use it as an excuse to call someone's daughter a slut.

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If you are to attack religon, then you have to be willing to also have your own beliefs/culture attacked....

Duh. It is not your ciriticism of our culture that is the problem.

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You can explain it all you like Freediver...quite frankly you are wrong.

No, you are wrong lestat. I am right, both in terms of what is acceptable on this forum and what is acceptable in society at large. Only Muslim societies consider criticism of Islam a greater crime that calling someone's daughter a slut.

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An insult is an insult, no mater who the victim.

Correct - who, not what. Islam cannot be a victim.

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Their is not one set of rules for muslims, and another for all others...

What I am trying to get you to understand is that the same standard is being applied. You juyst don;t udnerstand the standard.

Now stop making excuses for your immature behaviour and leanr how to discuss these things maturely.

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Reply #42 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:23pm

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As for the rest of your dribble, my point still stands, instead of attacking others and the way we raise our children, perhaps Mozz should worry about how he raises his own.

That's called 'Tu Quoque' which is fallacious argument. I set out what it is in another thread.

It's the OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT YOU and the:

1) Aborigines;

2) Economy;

3) Capitalism

4) Iraq

5) Crusades;

6) Inquisition;

7) The way your society lives, decadence, drugs, women etc etc..

But what you dont understand is we let women choose what they want to do. We dont seek to control what women wear, or who they see, or what they do. This is a free society. Women are not breeding stock that must be kept locked up in a pen. They can wear what they want, be with who they want, do what they want.

Islam on the other hand, threatens women with violence should they ever go against what the ummah wants for them. Honor killings, rape, acid attacks, beatings. That's how 'voluntary' covering up in burquas, niqabs and hijabs are.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

Yadda

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: ISLAM must CHANGE Reply #43 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:28pm With any luck, all these silly beliefs is supernatural beings that have a chosen few, have ridiculious laws and require prostration and grovelling will disappear. Mozza, I'm sure you are raising your children with love and care and intelligence.
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Reply #44 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 6:15pm

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How bout you teach your daughter to keep her legs closed huh

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With a bit of luck, they might not be knocked up at the age of 15, with a number of potential fathers to choose from, with yourself wondering what it was you did wrong.

Ok lestat... what one word colloquial term would you use to describe the behaviour/person you just described?

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