Calanen wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 10:48am:



What I would suggest is the following:

'I solemnly and truly swear allegiance (holding the Holy Book of my true nominated religion) to the Commonwealth of Australia, and pledge to defend its borders against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and will be loyal to the government of Australia, the Constitution as may be amended, democracy, secularism, the rule of law and the separation of church and state, with such principles I pledge a commitment to as a citizen to uphold and preserve, as being fundamental to the Commonwealth and its integrity.

I will provide assistance to the limits of my ability, in the defence of this country against any enemy of the Commonwealth, regardless of my personal sympathies or prejudices,  or the identity of that enemy, and I herefore swear loyalty to the Commonwealth to defend it against any attack by foreign forces. I will act only in the national interest, and will both act always in the best interests of and prefer the interests of the Commonwealth of Australia, to those of any other person or country, so help me God.

Let's see some of the passport carriers swear that loyalty oath. I'd swear it right now.

Oaths past and present:

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/2002-03/03rn20.htm

Calanen you cannot expect people to do something you wouldn;t so yourself. I would not swear to that absurd oath. I would reserve the right to think for myself.

That is so true...  spoken by someone who'd know eh Abu...
I mean about lying and deception etc, etc, etc...

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Not if it was on the Koran habibi.

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So 'al-Taqiyyah' can't be performed on the Qur'an?

Shows how much you know. A Muslim may even desecrate the Qur'an to save his life.

You really need to come to terms with what Taqiyyah _actually_ means, it merely means denying your faith (even to an unjust Muslim ruler) to save your life. Not lying to infidels to deceive them.

mantra wrote on Jan 16^th, 2009 at 6:53am:





mantra

More than anyone else,



Atrocious things happen [to muslims and non-muslims] in nominally Sharia jurisdictions.

But the best ppl like abu can come up with is,

....."These people [countries] are not muslims."

Total cop out.

If abu, was a true muslim, he would be living in a nominally muslim country, trying to improve circumstances there.

Trying to produces an ISLAMIC state worthy of its name.

But instead, ppl like abu, come to functioning societies, and try to take them back 1400 years, because Allah is Great!






Allah is redundant!

Muhammad was a land based pirate, a brigand.

And,
ISLAM, is a death cult.