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Reply #75 - Feb 1st, 2009 at 11:29am
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 31st, 2009 at 3:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 1:12pm:
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I do not believe in temporary marriage, nor do the vast majority (over 90%) of Muslims.


Yet you are more than happy to characterise 'the evil west' by the small minority who visit prostitutes.


I doubt there would be much difference between male visitation of prostitutes in the west as vs the land of Islam. If anything,because you cant just go and meet a girl in a pub and sleep with her, ud think prostitution would be more prevalent in Islamic sexually repressed places. 
But who knows for sure
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Calanen,

Yes.

Who know?

Google knows!     Grin     Grin     Grin




ARE THERE NOT ENOUGH VIRGINS, IN ALLAH'S PARADISE????


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Visitng 'Sex sites,' hardcore puritan nations come out unclothed

May 24, 2006
iranian.com
Ideological legislation restricts the freedom to access sites considered as bad for the faithul in countries like Iran, Saudi and Pakistan. This legislation of 'human attitudes‚ more often than not leads to exactly the opposite effect. Even Adam, everyone‚s biological father, slipped when he was enticed to eat the forbidden fruit by our common mother, Eve. It is coded in 'human genetics‚ that this intelligent being is designed to do more of what is prohibited. Google report produced ample evidence of that closet mentality.
Google found that of the top 10 countries - searching for sex-related sites - six were Muslim, with Pakistan on the top
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http://www.iranian.com/IqbalLatif/2006/May/Sex/index.html


Google,
"Google report" porn sites muslim countries
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22Google+report%22+porn+sites+muslim+co...






Calanen,

What i want to know is, will abu tell us, that all of these muslims [the ones who are purportedly visiting web based porn sites], are not real muslims?



What i want to know.....

Do muslims openly, recommend their brothers 'respect' women, and obey Allah?

But when 'in the closet', when they think that no body is watching, what sort of behaviour do muslims endorse????

"If it feels good. Do it!"
   ???



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Reply #76 - Feb 1st, 2009 at 11:33am
 
Maybe they were just looking for information about heaven....
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Reply #77 - Feb 1st, 2009 at 6:18pm
 
Here's something hilarious. Read this thread, and then read this post by Freediver.

freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2009 at 9:00am:
We are respectful enough to let Muslims decide what Islam is. But you cannot honestly expect us to accept that your version of some other religion is 'more correct' than what the actual followers of that religion believe.



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Reply #78 - Feb 2nd, 2009 at 11:15pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2009 at 4:18am:
soren,

If you'd like to discuss temporary marriage, you may open a topic on it, but it must be asked respectfully. None of this slander about prostitutes etc. Perhaps Malik will answer your questions if he sees it. Since temporary marriage is not permitted in mainstream Islam, using it in this discussion is just pointless. I do not believe in temporary marriage, nor do the vast majority (over 90%) of Muslims.



It is NOT slander.


Iran's Sex Slaves Suffer Hideously Under Mullahs       
By Donna M. Hughes, Carlson Professor in Women's Studies, University of Rhode Island

Joining a global trend, the fundamentalists have added another way to dehumanize women and girls: buying and selling them for prostitution. Exact numbers of victims are impossible to obtain, but according to an official source in Tehran, there has been a 635 percent increase in the number of teen-age girls in prostitution. The magnitude of this statistic conveys how rapidly this form of abuse has grown. In Tehran, there are an estimated 84,000 women and girls in prostitution, many of them are on the streets, others are in the 250 brothels that reportedly operate in the city. The trade is also international: Thousands of Iranian women and girls have been sold into sexual slavery abroad.

The head of Iran's Interpol bureau believes that the sex-slave trade is one of the most profitable activities in Iran today. This criminal trade is not conducted outside the knowledge and participation of the ruling fundamentalists. Government officials themselves are involved in buying, selling and sexually abusing women and girls.

Many of the girls come from impoverished rural areas. Drug addiction is epidemic throughout Iran, and some addicted parents sell their children to support their habits. High unemployment -- 28 percent for youth 15 to 29 years of age, and 43 percent for women 15 to 20 years of age -- is a serious factor in driving restless youth to accept risky offers for work. Slave traders take advantage of any opportunity in which women and children are vulnerable. For example, following the recent earthquake in Bam, orphaned girls have been kidnapped and taken to a known slave market in Tehran where Iranian and foreign traders meet.

Popular destinations for victims of the slave trade are the Arab countries in the Persian Gulf. According to the head of the Tehran province judiciary, traffickers target girls between 13 and 17, although there are reports of some girls as young as 8 and 10, to send to Arab countries. One ring was discovered after an 18-year-old girl escaped from a basement where a group of girls were held before being sent to Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. The number of Iranian women and girls who are deported from Persian Gulf countries indicates the magnitude of the trade. Upon their return to Iran, the Islamic fundamentalists blame the victims, and often physically punish and imprison them. The women are examined to determine if they have engaged in "immoral activity." Based on the findings, officials can ban them from leaving the country again.

Police have uncovered a number of prostitution and slavery rings operating from Tehran that have sold girls to France, Britain and Turkey as well. One network based in Turkey bought smuggled Iranian women and girls, gave them fake passports, and transported them to European and Persian Gulf countries. In one case, a 16-year-old girl was smuggled to Turkey, and then sold to a 58-year-old European national for $20,000. 

The rest is here
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6


Perhaps i should post this in the Women in Islam thread.
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Reply #79 - Feb 3rd, 2009 at 6:16am
 
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It is NOT slander.


It quite clearly IS slander, because that article has nothing to do with temporary marriage. There's no doubting prostitution does exist in Iran, but that's a different issue. Now if you're sincere in wanting to know about temporary marriage, as I said, open a thread, and flag it attention Malik or something. Or send him a pm to ask him to address it.

Islam does not permit prostitution, and you well know it, in fact this is one of the issues  you have with it, is that it doesn't permit the wholesale prostitution of women and selling of their bodies to promote a good 'healthy' capitalist economy.
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Reply #80 - Feb 3rd, 2009 at 6:24am
 
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Islam does not permit prostitution, and you well know it, in fact this is one of the issues  you have with it, is that it doesn't permit the wholesale prostitution of women and selling of their bodies to promote a good 'healthy' capitalist economy.


Neither does US law with the exception of Nevada I believe. Not that I care either way, if people want to pay others to have sex, why should I give a rats ass.

Lots of blind eye turning though in the Islamic world however. Whether prostitution is there because of the capitalist economy or some other reason, it is still there.
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Reply #81 - Feb 3rd, 2009 at 8:53am
 
Prostitution is always there, regardless of the law or dominant moral creed. Although Abu had created the impression that it doesn;t exist in good Muslim countries.
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Reply #82 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 6:08pm
 
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Better still in Islam, you get infidel women for free from the dar al Harb. They are part of the 'War Booty,'.


Something tells me you would still have to pay for them. Unless you got rewarded for valour or something. They would belong 'to the people' first, which means the government.
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Reply #83 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 6:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 6:08pm:
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Better still in Islam, you get infidel women for free from the dar al Harb. They are part of the 'War Booty,'.


Something tells me you would still have to pay for them. Unless you got rewarded for valour or something. They would belong 'to the people' first, which means the government.


Wrong about that their chief. There is a pecking order in the distribution of booty according to rank. It's all pretty complicated, ahem, let me look up in one of my little manuals and see if I can find it for you.
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Reply #84 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 6:26pm
 
I wonder if they let the infidels fighting with them rape the captured women also. Otherwise it would be discrimination, wouldn't it?
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Reply #85 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 6:55pm
 
Dhimmis get nothing there chief, just so you understand...

As to what Muslims get, let's see:

Four-fifths of the share of the war booty goes to each male jihadist. The other fifth share goes to the state.

However, some schools say that horsemen only get 3 parts of the share and one to foot soldiers. The imam has the ability to promise additional shares to certain soldiers before the battle is won, this additional amount is called nafal.

Remember that the booty is all moveable and immoveable 'property' including, human beings. The term spoil 'ghanima' is applied specifically to property acquired by force from non-muslims.  The spoil only goes to those who witnessed the battle.

The different schools of Islam argue about how much each bit goes to each person, whether women and children get some or not. But nobody says, no you dont take all the stuff.

So its reasonably elementary for muslim men to consider infidel women as the war booty, as we do live in the dar al harb, and they are just making jihad against them.
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Reply #86 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 11:46am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 6:08pm:
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Better still in Islam, you get infidel women for free from the dar al Harb. They are part of the 'War Booty,'.


Something tells me you would still have to pay for them. Unless you got rewarded for valour or something. They would belong 'to the people' first, which means the government.





Allah himself has declared that war booty, the spoils of war, have been made lawful to Muhammad [and muslims].

1/5 of the spoils of war goes to the state,
the remainder of the 'war booty' is divided among, and belongs to, the ISLAMIC 'warriors' who fought for it.
.....'war booty', is, it seems to me, sorta like a prequel, to the 72 virgins awaiting the warriors in Allah's paradise.


"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger......"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.041




more here,

"ISLAM - PEACE, THROUGH BONDAGE"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225935146/0#0




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Reply #87 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 12:01pm
 

Nothing compares to the spoils taken in Iraq. The oil (not just the oil itself, but the hegemony over world prices, ever noticed how they skyrocketed right after the war??), the artefacts etc. Or how about the vast amounts of 'intellectual' booty the US took from Germany after WWII??

As has been stated before, in the old days, Arabs used to carry large treasures into war, the winning army would sieze it. Other cultures practised this also. Pillaging of civilian property is NOT permitted, as neither is capturing civilian populations, as is continually falsely claimed by Calanen.

If the wild baseless claims here were true "all movable and immovable property", then one would think all the lands that were opened by Islam would be completely empty today, since everything would've been taken back to Madinah, no?

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Reply #88 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 1:08pm
 
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If the wild baseless claims here were true "all movable and immovable property", then one would think all the lands that were opened by Islam would be completely empty today, since everything would've been taken back to Madinah, no?


No Abu, hence the 'immovable' bit. You cannot take topsoil. Castles are a bit hard to move also. To posses them, you have to settle. that's how Islam spread. They did not take the Iberian peninsula home with them, did they?

You gave me the impression on another thread they they could take everything.
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Reply #89 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 6:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 1:08pm:
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You gave me the impression on another thread they they could take everything.


They can. Its not however meant to be a smash and grab tho. Meant to capture places, not destroy them. But it does all becomes the property of Islam. BUT someone has to do the work while Islamic armies are maraudering around, so the dhimmis are kept about to do that.
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