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abu_rashid

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Jan 20^th, 2009 at 4:28am

What do our resident Christians have to say in defence of this?
Perhaps we should also consider slowing Christian immigration, if this is what they're going to do in our country.

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LRA rebels 'torch crowded church'

Uganda's rebel Lord's Resistance Army has reportedly torched a church crowded with worshippers holding a prayer vigil in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

It is not clear how many died. The reported attack was the group's latest on villages in the north-east DR Congo.

Human Rights Watch says the LRA has killed at least 620 Congolese civilians and abducted more than 160 children since Christmas Eve.

Uganda, DR Congo and South Sudan last month launched an offensive on the LRA.

And the Central African Republic has sent troops to its border with DR Congo in an effort to push back the rebels.

Local residents said the LRA carried out the church attack on Saturday in a community just 130km (80 miles) from Dungu, which is the military base of Operation Lightning Thunder - the joint multi-national offensive on the rebels.

Felicien Balani, an official in Dungu, told Uganda's New Vision newspaper: "The LRA entered around midnight. They surprised the faithful of the church who were in a prayer vigil. They burned them in the church."

New York-based Human Rights Watch said it had unearthed evidence of a wave of killings by the LRA between 24 December and 13 January in DR Congo.

The organisation said in a statement: "At several sites where the killings took place, researchers found fresh graves, pools of dried blood, cords used to tie up prisoners and blood-stained bats and axes used to kill victims."

Last week the UN refugee agency UNHCR said the Congolese village of Duru was deserted after the rebels had attacked, looting, killing and burning.

The BBC has also received accounts of killings from the South Sudanese district of Mundri.

Two church parishioners who intervened after the rebels had abducted two boys had their hands and legs chopped off and were then beaten to death, said witnesses.

LRA leader Joseph Kony refused to sign a peace deal last year until International Criminal Court arrest warrants are withdrawn.

Over 100,000 people have fled suspected LRA rebels marauding across hundreds of kilometres stretching from the Central African Republic through Sudan and into DR Congo.

The LRA has been fighting in northern Uganda for two decades but is now based in DR Congo, most recently in the Garamba National Park.

Source: BBC

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Reply #1 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 4:43am

Well unlike Muslims Christians would condemn it.
And mean it.

They would also do all they can to have the perpetrators bought to justice.
Unlike some religious groups.

I also not that this is not a typical Christian group nor is their behaviour part of a pattern of Christian behaviour.
Unlike other so called religious groups.

Mind you many Christians are persecuted and killed by non-Christians... who espouse their religion and use it to justify the killing of Christians.

Your point is what exactly ABU?

Seems to me rather typical actions in Africa more than typical Christian actions. I note they want a government based on the 10 commandments and the Acholi way of life.

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Reply #2 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 7:55am

You can find many examples of attacks by Hindus on Christians too. In Nigeria there are many acts of violence between Muslims and Christians, but fortunately people such as Imam Muhammad Ashafa
and Pastor James Wuye are working to quell the violence and are starting to make a difference. The world can learn a lot from these guys even though they both started off as leaders of terrorist organisations devoted to violence against their perceived enemies.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2009/2445082.htm

http://www.au.iofc.org/imam-pastor

The whole problem is not religion - it's people. People are capable of some terrible things and some great things. Ultimately the choice is up to them - and you.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Christians burn Church full of worshippers Reply #3 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 8:01am Abu - who is the Lord's Resistance Army ? Seems if they burnt down a church with christians in it, not overly christian thing to do. That is not recommended in the bible. I agree, this thread is about the LRA, not about muslims. I'm sick of chat about muslims.
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Reply #4 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 9:53am

muso,

interesting article, are you sure about this though???

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You can find many examples of attacks by Hindus on Christians too... ...but fortunately people such as Imam Muhammad Ashafa and Pastor James Wuye are working to quell the violence and are starting to make a difference. The world can learn a lot from these guys even though they both started off as leaders of terrorist organisations devoted to violence against their perceived enemies.

Calanen has assured me that all Hindus, Christians, Jews, Sikhs etc. are good civilised peace loving people, who can be reasoned with and who you can live in peace and cooperation with. Muslims on the other hand don't fit any of those descriptions, they're just barbaric, uncivilised savages who roam around causing chaos and mayhem everywhere.

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Reply #5 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 9:57am

sprint, pretty sure I've posted it for you before, anyway here it is again, a brief bio of the LRA.

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The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), is a Christian sectarian guerrilla army operating mainly in northern Uganda and parts of Sudan. It is designated a terrorist organization by The United States Department of State.

The group was formed in 1987 and is engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in what is now one of Africa's longest-running conflicts. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the "spokesperson" of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Holy Spirit, which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. The group claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition. The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children, and forcing children to participate in hostilities

Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! and his resistance army!

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Seems if they burnt down a church with christians in it, not overly christian thing to do.

Much like when Muslims bomb mosques in Pakistan/Iraq etc. it's not an overly Muslim thing to do either. Doesn't prevent you and others from claiming it is.

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Reply #6 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:12am

Abu - you probably had posted it before. thanks for the repeat posting.

So the LRA is a guerilla terrorist army, that dish out human rights violations, murder, sex slavery etc etc.

Nope, as far as I know, that is not in the NT. It is not a christian thing.

Unlike muslim terrorists whose actions ARE supported by the koran.
But, this was not meant to be a thread on muslims stuff, was it ?

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So the LRA is a guerilla terrorist army, that dish out human rights violations, murder, sex slavery etc etc.

Yes although you left out the word CHRISTIAN.

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Nope, as far as I know, that is not in the NT. It is not a christian thing.

Well maybe they take it from the OT. Not all Christians believe over half your book was abrogated. And if you keep the OT around, surely sooner or later some Christians will end up acting on it. Maybe you should do away with the OT? Remember the Crusades? Most of the justifications for them came from the OT, so it's not like it's the first time.

A lot of evangelicals in the US today use the OT to justify wars against Muslims. Just sit up late one night and you'll see it in action on our TV here.

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Unlike muslim terrorists whose actions ARE supported by the koran

Can you show any verse of the Qur'an which supports terrorism?

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But, this was not meant to be a thread on muslims stuff, was it ?

No, but that hasn't stopped anyone.

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Reply #8 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 8:43pm

ROTFLMAO

Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ.
You should know that ABU...

Therefore the New Testament abd not the Old Testament is of primary importance. No abrogation and none necessary.

Mind you you muslims could do with a reformation or 2.

want me to post more articles from the almost inexhaustable supply ot Muslim attrocities?

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Reply #9 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:16pm

Grendel,

Why can't you just comment about this article? Why the need to counter it with articles about Islam? That would tend to indicate you've really got no idea at all about how to explain this, so you're just throwing off.

It's quite ironic, because when I respond to claims made against Islam, if I even mention another religion in passing, it's instantly claimed I am 'passing the buck'. Yet not a single person here has actually addressed the original post, you've all just unashamedly posted "Well look at what Islam does". Muso is of course excluded from that, having posted something constructive, even if it's only relevant to the throwing off of other posters.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Christians burn Church full of worshippers Reply #11 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 11:30pm abu - hhhmm, thought I had answered it. Maybe not how you wanted, but there it is.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Christians burn Church full of worshippers Reply #12 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 11:34pm tallo- stay on topic or your comments will keep getting deleted
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Reply #13 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 10:35am

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 9:53am:

muso,

interesting article, are you sure about this though???

Calanen has assured me that all Hindus, Christians, Jews, Sikhs etc. are good civilised peace loving people, who can be reasoned with and who you can live in peace and cooperation with. Muslims on the other hand don't fit any of those descriptions, they're just barbaric, uncivilised savages who roam around causing chaos and mayhem everywhere.

Abu,

Generally I've kept out of inane attacks on Islam. As I've said before, I have friends who are Muslim in many parts of the world. I have sent Eid cards and participated in many aspects of Muslim culture. I can transliterate Arabic but only speak a few words. My personal observations are that the Muslim people I have known are like any other people, and they vary according to the local customs. The degree to which they interpret the Qur'an seems to vary too

I don't agree with everything about Islam - well I'm not a Muslim so how could I? - but I do see that there are serious dysfunctional aspects in all cultures, including Western culture for that matter. Nobody is perfect.

A lot of the attacks that I've seen on these boards have fallen into the category of people who live in glasshouses throwing large rocks, generally in the direction of Islam, and I believe that's the message you're trying to get across with this thread.

I don't side with one group of religious people against another either. What's happening in the Middle East is a human tragedy, and I feel pain and sorrow for all the innocent civilians involved. That includes the children who are killed at Palestinian schools as well as ordinary Israelis who cower in fear every time a missile explodes in their neighborhood.

We tend to be hardened to these new stories, or else we'd all be emotional wrecks.

Now this post is maybe off topic, but it's in the spirit of the intent of the original post. Gabriel - please be nice to me and don't delete it.

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