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Re: Christians burn Church full of worshippers
Reply #15 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:48am
 
sprint,

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abu - hhhmm, thought I had answered it.
Maybe not how you wanted, but there it is.


All you did was claim because their actions aren't mentioned in the NT, therefore it's not according to Christian beliefs. But for most of the history of Christianity and even amongst some groups of Christians today, the OT does have quite a degree of authority, so just because you specifically don't take the 'interpretation' of  the Bible they take, doesn't mean other Christians don't. Do you deny they are Christians? Just because they don't share your 'interpretation' of the Bible, you ex-communicate them?

It's also quite contradictory that Christians who claim the OT is completely abrogated, often quite from it when it suits them and when it justifies what they are arguing. Yadda for instance is always quoting from the OT, perhaps more than he does from the NT.

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i have addressed the topic.


you just echoed the same arguments sprint brought, and therefore you can just read above how I've answered him.
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Re: Christians burn Church full of worshippers
Reply #16 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:57am
 
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Generally I've kept out of inane attacks on Islam


Do you mean keep out as in you don't refute them? It's a waste of my time doing it, and I'm a Muslim, so likewise I'm sure you'd probably not want to waste your time refuting them.

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My personal observations are that the Muslim people I have known are like any other people


Generally speaking most Muslims are just ordinary everyday people. However when their countries are invaded, and their apartments bombed into dust, sometimes they get a little angry, true. And as we  can see in Africa, so too do Christians sometimes. People  in exceptional circumstances often do exceptional things.

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and they vary according to the local customs. The degree to which they interpret the Qur'an seems to vary too  


Most everyday Muslims don't really interpret the Qur'an at all. Most take the interpretations of qualified scholars of Islamic jurisprudence. There are obviously differences in Islamic jurisprudence, and of course different peoples often adhere to rulings to varying degrees as well. But this is not necessarily according to local custom. It may be in some cases, but often you can have very practising people living right next door to people who are not so practising.

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but I do see that there are serious dysfunctional aspects in all cultures, including Western culture for that matter. Nobody is perfect.


Agreed.

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A lot of the attacks that I've seen on these boards have fallen into the category of people who live in glasshouses throwing large rocks, generally in the direction of Islam, and I believe that's the message you're trying to get across with this thread.


It certainly was. But it seemed to go over quite a lot of heads, thankfully not all Smiley

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That includes the children who are killed at Palestinian schools as well as ordinary Israelis who cower in fear every time a missile explodes in their neighborhood.


If your statement said Israeli children I'd agree with you. However, trying to equate the situation of Palestinian civilians and Israeli civilians is not quite the same. Palestinians didn't goto Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, USA etc. and start booting Jews out of their homes, or start committing violence against them. Jews on the other hand did come to the Palestinians and do that. The caged prisoner stuck inside the Gaza strip, is not equivalent to the Israeli sitting outside the fence, most likely in that persons former family home/land.
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Re: Christians burn Church full of worshippers
Reply #17 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 7:08am
 
Well unlike Muslims Christians would condemn it.
And mean it.

They would also do all they can to have the perpetrators bought to justice.
Unlike some religious groups.

I also not that this is not a typical Christian group nor is their behaviour part of a pattern of Christian behaviour.
Unlike other so called religious groups.

Mind you many Christians are persecuted and killed by non-Christians...  who espouse their religion and use it to justify the killing of Christians.

Your point is what exactly ABU?

Seems to me rather typical actions in Africa more than typical Christian actions.  I note they want a government based on the 10 commandments and the Acholi way of life.
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Reply #18 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 11:33am
 
this whole issue of public condemnation is an interesting one and comes up all the time

if you do just a basic google search on muslims condemning certain actions of other muslims you'lll find so much. particularly on things that actually gain worldwide attentoin, like terrorist bombings etc

why is it, despite these things, you feel that there still is no condemnation?
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Reply #19 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 1:27pm
 
Then why do hundreds of people go and listen to extremists?
Why don't they not go instead?
Why don't they walk out when garbage is being fed to them?
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Reply #20 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 2:30pm
 

gaybriel - i rarely see condemnation by islamic clerics for terrorist actions.
I rarely see islamic clerics telling muslims to live according to the laws of whatever country they are in.

I see islamic clerics giving veiled support for the establishment of sharia law all over the globe.

I see apologetics and gutless leftards saying zippo.
I see europe and england being shafted by muslims.

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Reply #21 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 12:44pm
 
you rarely see it but do you ever actually look for it
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Reply #22 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:35pm
 
I'm afraid Gaybriel most of us are looking for it all the time.

Yet it is a rare occurance and usually only happens after something has been uncovered.
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Reply #23 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 1:39pm
 

feel free to post them when they arise gaybriel


that's termed "freedom of speech"
get a westerner to explain it to you.
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Reply #24 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 2:17pm
 
hahaha- I am a westerner sprint

you've completely missed the point

not to mention I have posted such things up

but again- you miss the point even if I hadnt
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Reply #25 - Jan 27th, 2009 at 2:29pm
 
i don't think the point is whether you are a Westerner or a Leprechaun.

It is... Yet it is a rare occurance and usually only happens after something has been uncovered.
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