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A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Jan 21st, 2009 at 10:03am
 
A prayer for today, a prayer for secular Israel, and for secular Jews everywhere to meditate upon,
......the words of Daniel Ch. 9

Daniel 9:1
In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.
9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
14 Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.
19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 10:06am
 
"Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God."




Psalms 130:7
Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
8  And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.


Psalms 25:22
Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.


Isaiah 25:7
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8  He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.


Isaiah 40:1
Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
2  Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
.....5  And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.


Isaiah 43:8
Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9  Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen......




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 1:46am
 
Did Jesus refer to Israel as those people who follow him rather than in the geographical sense? That would not include Jews nor would it include the place in the ME that we call Israel.
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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 8:09am
 

Darned good question Easel

My thinking was in the OT Israel referred to the geographical location .
Though, the importance was the people, not the location.
In the NT, Jesus more referred to the people and not the location.
So emphasis much moreso on the people in the NT.
The location was immaterial.
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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 8:28am
 
Just add my prayer for the Palestinians. There are victims and perpetrators on both sides of this divide.

Yadda - this is for you:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zhy2SRHqpuQ

oh sorry - I forgot that you had a morse code connection. It's "Comfort ye" (Isaiah 40 ) from Handel's Messaiah.

Let's hope beyond hope that within 10 years, they'll be singing "Ev'ry Valley shall be exalted" instead of "Comfort Ye" for the Middle East.
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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 9:02am
 
easel wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 1:46am:
Did Jesus refer to Israel as those people who follow him rather than in the geographical sense?
That would not include Jews nor would it include the place in the ME that we call Israel
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easel,

i suggest that you read all of Romans 11


Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid........





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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 9:11am
 
Has God cast off Israel, the Jews???



Romans 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27  For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28  As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: *but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes*.
29  For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30  For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31  Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32  For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


Isaiah 59:20
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21  As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.


Psalms 135:4
For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.


Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.




Somehow, all of Israel are redeemed, is this because they have been 'used' of God, because they were God's servants, and witnesses [in revealing his plan of redemption] to this world?

In my reading of scripture, it does seem that Judah does share the blood of the atonement sacrifice....

The Jews declared to Pliate....

Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

i.e. Jesus Christ, is also their atonement sacrifice.




relating to Jesus being our atonement sacrifice [as per the wilderness type], see also my post,

"Like as a woman with child...."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231830268







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Re: A prayer for Israel today, the words of Daniel 9
Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 9:17am
 
muso wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 8:28am:
Just add my prayer for the Palestinians. There are victims and perpetrators on both sides of this divide.

Yadda - this is for you:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zhy2SRHqpuQ

oh sorry - I forgot that you had a morse code connection. It's "Comfort ye" (Isaiah 40 ) from Handel's Messaiah.

Let's hope beyond hope that within 10 years, they'll be singing "Ev'ry Valley shall be exalted" instead of "Comfort Ye" for the Middle East.








Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
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