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Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers
Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 2:49pm

Thanks Abu, you've managed to even further repel aussies from your obsessive oppressive regime.

'ABU Hamza has claimed Australians are addicted to alcohol, gambling and prostitution in another rant to his followers broadcast over the internet.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd yesterday demanded the self-taught cleric apologise for telling Muslim men they could demand sex from their wives and hit them if they were disobedient.

As revealed in yesterday's Courier-Mail, Mr Hamza told his mainly young male following Islamic law allowed husbands to demand sex at any time and women could be "smacked" if they continually disobeyed men.

Marriage advice: Men have right to sex, says cleric
In another fire and brimstone sermon, recorded for the internet six months ago, Mr Hamza said non-Muslim Australians were lost in a world of booze, gambling and sex.

Mr Hamza, who has delivered sermons celebrating Australia and then condemning aspects of it, told his followers to spread the word of Islam.

"They (Australians) think happiness can be achieved by being intoxicated, by going to the casino and blowing your money away, by going from one prostitute to the other," Mr Hamza said in his lecture titled "How to live in Australia as a Muslim".

After the sex-on-demand and wife-beating revelations, Mr Rudd yesterday demanded Mr Hamza apologise and withdraw the comments.

"These remarks have no place in modern Australia at all. I would call upon this Islamic cleric to publicly apologise and repudiate his remarks," the PM said........"

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24949440-953,00.html

VERY typical to see you have not apologised to ruddy.
he's a control freak, that'll irk him.

You and your family may be deported to the antarctic.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #1 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 6:28pm Well I don't drink.. but according to some dimwitted Muslim I do and gamble and debauche... damn... i've got to ask this guy where I'm living.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #2 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 7:04pm Is that him Sprint? Muslim clerics named Abu that live in Melbourne and can type sort of narrows it down a bit. And he hasn't been around today, maybe he's hiding in a school somewhere. Anyway, if it is, I didn't find the sermons to be very controversial at all.
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #3 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:23pm Nah that dude is a Lebanese. Abu Rashid is an Australian convert.
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #4 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:24pm I drink a little bit, and gamble if buying a lottery ticket once a week counts. Never been interested in prostitutes however, seems like a massive waste of money.
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #5 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:27pm Quote: Nah that dude is a Lebanese. Abu Rashid is an Australian convert. Preston and Coburg are practically the same suburb.
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Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers
Reply #6 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 11:31pm

sprint,

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Thanks Abu, you've managed to even further repel aussies from your obsessive oppressive regime.

Generally speaking those things are pretty commonplace in Australian culture. Nobody can doubt drinking beer is a staple of Australian culture (doesn't mean every single individual does, I know a few who don't), gambling is becoming even more so, and prostitution, whilst limited to a certain segment of the society is also legal and acceptable in Australian culture.

All 3 of those things are vices which have negative impacts on the individual, their families and society in general. We need more people like Abu Hamza to stand up and speak against them, and to call the people away from them.

A lot of the crime and violence in our society can be linked back to these 3 things... Worth thinking about.

Grendel,

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Well I don't drink.. but according to some dimwitted Muslim I do and gamble and debauche..

I am glad to hear you don't Grendel. Please don't be offended, as I don't believe Abu Hamza was speaking about all Australians, he was just talking about Australian culture in general, which accepts and even in many cases encourages those things.

I remember a friend of mine who embraced Islam a month or two before me, and his parents were quite distraught, exhorting him "Why don't you go out and pick up girls and get drunk and goto nightclubs etc, even drugs if it keeps you away from Islam". What kind of society encourages people to commit these vices, instead of prayer, fasting and charity?

Amadd,

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Muslim clerics named Abu that live in Melbourne and can type sort of narrows it down a bit.

"Abu" is merely a title that means "Father of", so it's kind of like "Mr" I guess. Can we assume that "Mr Sprintcyclist" and "Mr Amadd" are the same, simply because they both have the title "Mr" in front of their names? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #7 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 12:08am Quote: "Abu" is merely a title that means "Father of", so it's kind of like "Mr" I guess. Fair enough, and for what it's worth, I liked his sermon.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #8 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 1:05am Quote: and for what it's worth, I liked his sermon Are you being serious? Anyway I don't see why any Australian would have a problem with Abu Hamza, after all he was a witness for the prosecution in the Benbrika case... If anything, all Australians should be thankful for him.
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Reply #9 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 8:50am

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Nobody can doubt drinking beer is a staple of Australian culture (doesn't mean every single individual does, I know a few who don't)

MYTH... stereotype... etc, etc, etc

Wine took over ages ago.

Also most crime these days is DRUG related.

His idea of our culture is based on caricatures and stereotypes.
Not facts.

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Reply #10 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 10:02am

As far I'm aware he said alcohol, beer and wine are both covered, moot point.

Alcohol is just a legal drug, they are all to blame. Illicit drugs are indeed more to blame, but it's part of the same problem. Also a lot of domestic violence and stuff which actually leads to drug abuse anyway is alcohol related, so it's all part of the same degenerative web of issues.

I think he has a pretty good idea about Australian culture. As far as i'm aware he was raised for most of his life here, if not all of it.

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Reply #11 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 10:20am

lol

Moot point? I was replying to your statement.
Is using a caricature as a statement of reality ok with you?
Obviously it is since most of your beliefs are based on unreality.

Wine was just a point I was making. To show how out of touch with reality he was. (according to your statement.)

If you really think he is right about Australian culture if you think that is what it is then why don't you all bugger off to another country.

None of my friends habitually drink. take drugs. see prostitutes or gamble. people I know that do, do not do it habitually or to excess.
Not saying some don't but they'd be in the minority.

If you believe that Australians are all just drunken gambling womanisers... you need a reality check. Cheesy

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Reply #12 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 10:23am

From Mozz on another topic...

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I think it is just that when people subjugate their own ideals, for those imposed by a totalitarian regimen, like Islam, then they really lose a lot of perspective of what they think their reality is.

Like the guy who considers aussies as drunken whoremongers, well to say that in the way he did, was dumb, and inflammatory.

He could have come out with a far more positive pro life message about the values of moderation and sobriety, and the benefits of responsible sexuality, which would have been acceptable to all decent people, but in Islam's insane clamouring desire to be seen as superior, he made it adversarial, and made more people wonder, just how wacked out are these muslim extremists.

Also, the hypocrisy about sobriety, and moral superiority, when the golden crescent is pumping out most of the world's heroin, all grown and sold by good muslims, which funds organised crime syndicates whose morals, allow them to supply the weapons the terrorists want, as well as people smuggling, and prostitution rings, but if it is for the jihad, then it is OK, if it is private citizens, following their personal moral code, of having a drink, or sex, then they must be vilified.

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Reply #13 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 12:51pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2009 at 8:50am:

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Nobody can doubt drinking beer is a staple of Australian culture (doesn't mean every single individual does, I know a few who don't)

MYTH... stereotype... etc, etc, etc

Wine took over ages ago.

Also most crime these days is DRUG related.

His idea of our culture is based on caricatures and stereotypes.
Not facts.

as to the beer-not really. when I go out it's the staple drink of the people around me. but then again I guess it depends on the group of people too. Tongue

but anyway I don't think it's off the wall to say that Australian culture allows and encourages drinking, gambling and sex. I do think it's off the wall to suggest that that defines Australian culture, or is all there is too it. but I don't think he was suggesting that. he was making a passing reference to the things present in his society that as a muslim he doesn't agree with and won't partake in. If he were actually speaking on Australian culture at length and that's all he had to say- then yeah I'd see your point- but you it's unreasonable to expect someone in every passing reference to...anything really...to then go off on a tangent examining its various complexities etc etc.

by the very nature of giving a speech it doesn't work. even with academics, whose work is to explore complexities, when giving a speech or writing a paper they often say "this is deserving of more investigation due to the complexity of the matter but is not relevant to the topic at hand" etc etc etc

so like I said- I think it was more of a passing reference to those things that were relevant to the topic, as opposed to some analysis of Australian culture on the whole

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Now islamAbu wants us to be teetollers Reply #14 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:33pm You're being an apologist again. We know what he said and the manner in which he said it. He's an idiot and an Imam... which is totally enlightening BTW. Isn't it time you called a spade a spade?
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