Quote:but would you deny an abortion to a mentally handicapped 13 year old who was impregnated by a psychotic rapist?
Yes.
A: That's highly improbable. So improbable infact that I'd be more skeptical of the person claiming to be raped.
B: Morally noone is better then any other. A child conceived from rape is no less worthy of becoming born then a child conceived through consent. Origins do not make us who we are. That's class based tyranny.
C: I am not phased by emotional tactics. If someone came up to me and whined about being raped. Then they probably deserved it. Noone just "gets raped". People put themself in bad positions, and then expect the world to bend upside down for them.
I'm not saying these women have to be great mothers, or even mothers, give it up for adoption for all I care. But murder isn't a right. It's never a right, and we shouldn't pat them on the back for it.
I don't think anyone will argue murder is worse then rape. And yet we permit murder because of rape? I'm not buying it.
Abortion was created as a means of social engineering, eugenics, and political confusion. When a society has no morals, it is
easier to control. There is a right, and there is a wrong. And when people don't know what right and wrong is, they have no direction. And when they have no direction, pricks in government can come along and lead them like a sheep dog.
Morals do not hamper our freedom, they protect them. There is absolute freedom, and there is maximum freedom. Absolute freedom is this backward idea that somehow more freedom=ability to do whatever you want. Maximum freedom=the most individual liberty we can obtain without infringing on other people. Abortion is a serious violation of human rights. People can argue till they're blue in the face that a fetus isn't a person. But neither were Jews, blacks, and women at one point. We don't argue points like that in civilized society.
Abortion has been controlled by barbarians, they need to go the way of the dinosaurs. Their primitive logic and scare tactics are obsolete and costing too many lives. Lives much more valubale then they are.
"The needs of the next generation outweigh the needs of this one. --Charles Darwin"
I have no sympathy for anyone seeking an abortion, for any reason. Maybe you see some woman giving you a sad story, but what I see is some bitch trying to make an excuse to kill her kid. Who does that? Who is a sick enough human being to want to kill their own kid?
We're looking at the same woman. Only you're falling for her little emotional scam. I'm not. I can't be swayed by little stories. I see a dead baby, and that's all I need to know. None of this new-age "gray morality" crap. If there's a dead baby, something's wrong.
Quote:Who was that South American artist who tied up a dog in an art gallery with the caption "Starving Dog" and it prompted an internet wide condemnation? (It was Guillermo Vargas, and he was Costa Rican.)
lol, irl troll. But the dog was not actually being abused, so no crime was commited. I look at things objectively. Either you did something, or you didn't. Sense the dog was not actually harm, no wrong was commited. We don't have to go into "is it wrong to toture an animal?" because it wasn't totured. Although I'm sure if libertarians in my country had their way they would be authenticaly totured..
Quote:It is easy for people too young to remember back yard abortionists, and the stigma attached to terminations of pregnancies, but let me tell you, it was damn ugly, and very wrong.
Good. I hope it was painful. I hope they were scared, shaking, and died very excrutiatingly. There are two problems with your scenario.
#1: You cater to the stupid. Abortion is illegal, and yet they still seek it. If illegal abortions are so dangerous. Then they shouldn't be seeking them. Any rational human being in their own self interest, would just have the kid. It'd be far easier then risking your life to obtain an abortion.
But they want to die. They're matyrs. They want to die so people like you go "boohoohoo! These poor women!" And then it becomes legal.
No, screw them. Let them die. That way they learn. They won't learn anything if we cave. Let them commit suicide. I'm not against suicide. The only thing I feel bad about is the kid would have to die with them. But some things can't be avoided. I'm not Superman.
#2: This does not excuse abortion on demand. You don't
have to be 100% prolife. But so many are just prochoice by default. What's up with that? You never heard of regulations, inflated prices, specific circumstances? I don't see that. Why is that? How are you going to tell me with a straight face that you see abortion as horrible and only required in rare but needed circumstances, but making no attempt at all to make it rare?
I call you a liar. And you think I'm stupid enough to believe you. That insults my intelligence.
Abortion doesn't have to be a simple yes or no issue. People are. People are predictable, malevolent, and selfish.
But I expect at the very least for them to care enough about the people around them not to kill them. For God's sakes that's your kid. There are serial killers, rotting in jail, who wouldn't kill their own kid.
They deserve no mercy. And they will receive no sympathy from me. I don't regret saying I'd enjoy watching every last woman who had an abortion be executed.