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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Wafa Sultan... Reply #30 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:25pm You are behaving like an apologist again.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Wafa Sultan... Reply #31 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:34pm grendel - she deliberately completely misses the point and is deflecting unsuccessfully. gaybriel - I ask you to delete your offtopic deflective comment.
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Reply #32 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:15pm

it's not about apologising for anything, it's about people attributing significance to the actions of one group of people yet when they see the same behaviour replicated in another group of people they see nothing of significance

it's just double standards straight out.

my comment has no reflection upon the actions of the original group of people in question and how I regard that behaviour- it merely reflects on the inanity of said statement

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Wafa Sultan... Reply #33 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:35pm So where is the double standard again? It is well know that Muslim terrorists kill more muslims than NON-Muslims. Now in what context is that equivalent in Christian society?
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Wafa Sultan... Reply #34 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:02pm the double standard is when people say "muslims kill muslims" like it's some kind of proof that muslims are so barbaric as to kill others who belong to their own religion but then this conclusion is not drawn when you see conflicts and killings within other religious groups, nations, races
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Reply #35 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:15pm

No it's just pointing out the fact that they do... remember what was happening in Iraq.

I remember a while back discussing it and the dogma preached that death for Allah (martyrdom) was good and all tied up with the virgin thing and that any Muslims who died in this act went straight to heaven as innocents killed in the name of Allah or some such baloney. If I get a chance I'll look it up but it was just justifying the act.

Sunnis kill Shiites. Shiites kill Sunnis. Everyone kills Sufis and Wahabists kill everyone.

A nation is not a religion.
A race is not a religion.
Only in Islam do nation and religion exist as one. Only Islam have "religious" states. They do not have secularism in most Islamic states.

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Reply #36 - Jan 28^th, 2009 at 1:50am

Grendel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:15pm:

.....A nation is not a religion.
A race is not a religion.
Only in Islam do nation and religion exist as one. Only Islam have "religious" states.

They do not have secularism in most Islamic states.

Turkey has been semi-secular for many decades.

But Turkey has recently acquired a new PM,
......who is an avowed ISLAMIST.

Will Turkey remain secular for much longer???

Who knows.

But some old quotes, attributed to Turkey's present PM are revealing.

Turkish PM Erdogan in 1990s said,
TURKEY'S CONSTITUTION "A HUGE LIE";

"ONE CANNOT BE A MUSLIM AND SECULAR"

I think that last quote clearly says it all really.

MEMRI = Middle East news service [translated to English]

May 23, 2007
Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As ‘A Huge Lie': ‘Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah'; ‘One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607

Would Wafa Sultan be safe in Turkey today?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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