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tallowood Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 5603	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #75 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:46am Gaybriel wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 7:02pm: abu_rashid wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 7:00pm: By 'schooled' I meant they spent their formative years listening to stuff like the children overboard crap and all the hype about terrorism. aaaaha- doh Compare that to hatred that islamic terrorist hamass teach their children.
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Reply #76 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:03am

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It is Aussie pride but it's misguided. Sure, they were drunk and carrying on in a less than savory manner, but that doesn't make them any less proud to be an Aussie. At least some people aren't scared to stand up and say "We've had enough!"

Would you have said it was Aussie pride if it had been a group of Australian aborigines/Lebanese/Muslims/Africans covered in Australian war paint, dead drunk and creating this fear and destruction? Real Australians don't condone this behaviour regardless of the colour of the mob.

Maybe if they did have any pride in Australia. They don't nor do they have any respect. I've made it quite obvious they went about it the wrong way. Do you people only choose to read half of my posts?

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Reply #77 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:22am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 6:14am:

It is Aussie pride but it's misguided. Sure, they were drunk and carrying on in a less than savory manner, but that doesn't make them any less proud to be an Aussie. At least some people aren't scared to stand up and say "We've had enough!"

That's not Aussie pride, that's just self involved loutish adolescent BS. And gutless.

They didn't stand up and say "Enough". Like someone said, maybe that's what they felt, but they hid it behind patriotic spew so they could have some moral barracade for behaving in a 100% disgraceful manner.

If the have really had enough, have the guts to actually say that. Identify sensibly what the issues are that they have a problem with. Immigration, lose of their suburban identity, etc etc. I'm curious. And there just may be some things I agree with. As it stands though, they were just hoons, heady with their brief ability to heroically intimidate individuals with a mob. Dickheads.

Get them to join One Nation. And I am not suggesting that as a bad thing BTW.

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Reply #78 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:27am

One Nation, were and are idiots. They seemed to handpick the stupidest people for leadership positions and to speak for them.

With one exception - Oldfield - he is a very canny operator, but not much good at presenting himself. He needs to be in the background.

There needs to be a new party, with sensible policies and without the idiocy.

Also, the way the media ganged up on 3 16 year olds who painted 'F** OFF WE'RE FULL" on their stomachs at the beach was outrageous. They called them racists. Being against ALL immigration is a sensible policy, and most of the peope that come here are backpackers. But to post pics of them with headlines like Racist Outrage! etc is just so pitiful. Do it to me if you want, I can take it. But 2 teenage girls and a teenage guy, just kids - and what they were saying, wasnt racist at all. It had nothing to do with race.

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tallowood Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 5603	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #79 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:00am Compare Australian Day with a muslim day. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0 Muslims behaviour is more disgraceful, IMHO., but have we heard a word of condemnation from our resident mohammedans?
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Reply #80 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:04am

I don't agree that One Nation were/are complete idiots. There are a small proportion of their policies that I agree with. Like Gaybriel was saying yesterday, I can find some policies from all parties that I agree with, just not enough to give any of them my vote. I now vote exclusively independent, but give who ever is elected the benefit of my regular opinion.

We definitely need more political parties on the scene and/or more independents.

Could you explain further the comment that "Being against ALL immigration is a sensible policy."

Sure the media are jerks and liars. But were these three part of the group that "ganged up" on others. If they were then they behaved like idiots, I have no problem with them being portrayed as fools.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #81 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:06am Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:03am: Maybe if they did have any pride in Australia. They don't nor do they have any respect. I've made it quite obvious they went about it the wrong way. Do you people only choose to read half of my posts? No, but the subtle change of context in your replies is revealing.
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Reply #82 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:08am

locutius wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:04am:

I don't agree that One Nation were/are complete idiots. There are a small proportion of their policies that I agree with. Like Gaybriel was saying yesterday, I can find some policies from all parties that I agree with, just not enough to give any of them my vote. I now vote exclusively independent, but give who ever is elected the benefit of my regular opinion.

We definitely need more political parties on the scene and/or more independents.

Could you explain further the comment that "Being against ALL immigration is a sensible policy."

Sure the media are jerks and liars. But were these three part of the group that "ganged up" on others. If they were then they behaved like idiots, I have no problem with them being portrayed as fools.

No, they were just people on the beach that were snapped in a photo.

To say that in a country that can barely provide enough water for its own needs that we dont need any more people, is eminently sensible. Its not my view. My view is job style immigration. You interview people for the position of citizens, and you take the best candidates.

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Reply #83 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:10am

tallowood wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:00am:

Compare Australian Day with a muslim day.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0

Muslims behaviour is more disgraceful, IMHO., but have we heard a word of condemnation from our resident mohammedans?

I don't think it should come down as a matter of comparision, but of a standard of behaviour and decorum that WE expect and condone. If you have something to protest do it on another day. Don't dress it up as Aussie spirit. If you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.

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Reply #84 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:14am

locutius wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:10am:

tallowood wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:00am:

Compare Australian Day with a muslim day.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0

Muslims behaviour is more disgraceful, IMHO., but have we heard a word of condemnation from our resident mohammedans?

I don't think it should come down as a matter of comparision, but of a standard of behaviour and decorum that WE expect and condone. If you have something to protest do it on another day. Don't dress it up as Aussie spirit. If you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.

Comparison puts things into perspective so if you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a muslim.

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Reply #85 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:21am

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To say that in a country that can barely provide enough water for its own needs that we dont need any more people, is eminently sensible. Its not my view. My view is job style immigration. You interview people for the position of citizens, and you take the best candidates.

I basically agree with this position. In fact I think we have at least twice as many people than what we should have. That's why we should follow more scandinanian models and make ourselves the best we can be with a small population. Take the best the world has to offer that want to become citizens of a secular democratic society.

I am not as charitable as you to think that these three were concerned with the water situation of Australia.

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Reply #86 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:37am

tallowood wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:14am:

locutius wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:10am:

tallowood wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:00am:

Compare Australian Day with a muslim day.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-inob20I_Y0

Muslims behaviour is more disgraceful, IMHO., but have we heard a word of condemnation from our resident mohammedans?

I don't think it should come down as a matter of comparision, but of a standard of behaviour and decorum that WE expect and condone. If you have something to protest do it on another day. Don't dress it up as Aussie spirit. If you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.

Comparison puts things into perspective so if you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a muslim.

Hmmm. Being shot to death I'm sure is better than being burnt to death. But I prefer to avoid either one.

Just because others do it, let them look like fools. If we do it as well, we've merely validated their behaviour. Better to take note and stop them coming here with that nonsense.

Thou shalt not join multitudes to commit evil.

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Reply #87 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:42am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:06am:

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:03am:

Maybe if they did have any pride in Australia. They don't nor do they have any respect. I've made it quite obvious they went about it the wrong way. Do you people only choose to read half of my posts?

No, but the subtle change of context in your replies is revealing.

There are no subtle cotext changes. The "if they did have pride in Australia" was directed at the the comment of Muslims etc dressing up in Aussie war paint etc. Obviously I didn't cite the direction of that sentence properly. This is not a contextual shift however.

Yes, the young men and women involved in that incident were not doing the right thing. All I am stating is that is does not mean they aren't proud to be Australian.

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Reply #88 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:04am

Swathe wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:42am:

Yes, the young men and women involved in that incident were not doing the right thing. All I am stating is that is does not mean they aren't proud to be Australian.

If all you know of them is that they were not doing the right thing, then how is it that you presume they're proud to be Australian?

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Swathe Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 79	Re: Australia Day Disgrace Reply #89 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:14am How do you know they are not? It's quite simple, their action does not mean they AREN'T proud to be Australian.
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