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Reply #16 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:47am

Well, I have seen, and experienced some 'weird' stuff in my time, but I expect most of it could be explained away, 'naturally', if we bothered to investigate it thoroughly.
Like Locutious said, it is more likely to do with the limitations of our own awareness.

I once had a neighbour with trained attack dogs, scary dobermans, which he warned against ever approaching, like, if we kicked the footy into his yard, do NOT try and retrieve it, because they will attack.
Anyway, one day I was wandering out to put my socket set back in my car, after fixing a tap, when I heard growling, I looked up to see one of the neighbours dogs had got out, and was crouched a meter away from me, ready to leap up and rip my throat out.
I froze.
Instantly I thought, sh1t, this dog is gonna rip my throat out, then, still frozen, showing no external change, I thought, if this mongrel moves, I will smash his skull in with this socket set.
The instant I changed my thought from fear, to aggression, the dog stopped growling, sat, looked at me for a few more seconds, then turned and walked away.

I always thought that it was the dog's intuition which let it know that I had become a threat to it, but if we examined it closely, it was more likely that dog's abilities to read body language, etc. showed the animal my intent.

I think for we humans, similiar things happen at times, but we don't analyse why we feel like we 'know' some things.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #17 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 8:51am True, Mozz. And we easily forget that we too are animals and at a certain level, we speak the same language as any other - particularly with other intelligent mammals. Just like we usually correctly interpret the signs of intent in other animals.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21837 A cat with a view	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #18 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 9:51am tallowood wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 10:19pm: *Islamists like abo intuitively afraid of truth. Why is that?* May i venture, tongue in cheek.... Because its in our nature, to be fearful of the new, and unknown??? And abu is just reverting to type???
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Reply #19 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:07am

mozzaok wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:47am:

Well, I have seen, and experienced some 'weird' stuff in my time, but I expect most of it could be explained away, 'naturally', if we bothered to investigate it thoroughly.
Like Locutious said, it is more likely to do with the limitations of our own awareness.

I once had a neighbour with trained attack dogs, scary dobermans, which he warned against ever approaching, like, if we kicked the footy into his yard, do NOT try and retrieve it, because they will attack.
Anyway, one day I was wandering out to put my socket set back in my car, after fixing a tap, when I heard growling, I looked up to see one of the neighbours dogs had got out, and was crouched a meter away from me, ready to leap up and rip my throat out.
I froze.
Instantly I thought, sh1t, this dog is gonna rip my throat out, then, still frozen, showing no external change, I thought, if this mongrel moves, I will smash his skull in with this socket set.

The instant I changed my thought from fear, to aggression, the dog stopped growling, sat, looked at me for a few more seconds, then turned and walked away.

I always thought that it was the dog's intuition which let it know that I had become a threat to it, but if we examined it closely, it was more likely that dog's abilities to read body language, etc. showed the animal my intent.

I think for we humans, similiar things happen at times, but we don't analyse why we feel like we 'know' some things.

moz,

May i venture, that perhaps the dog wasn't picking up so much on your new aggressive frame of mind [which the socket piece in your hand engendered], as much as your sudden lack of fear?

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Dune - Frank Herbert

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #20 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:44am mozzaok - I have heard dogs commumicate a LOT through body language. To look bored (in dog language) yawn, blink and hang head down or to a side. Heard it on the radio, by an irishman called the dogman.
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Reply #21 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:49am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:44am:

mozzaok - I have heard dogs commumicate a LOT through body language.

To look bored (in dog language) yawn, blink and hang head down or to a side.
Heard it on the radio, by an irishman called the dogman.

We underrate dog intelligence, until you realise they have the capacity to deceive and practice it whenever they can. Like the home guard dog who lets a stranger onto the property... lying on the porch like a fat lazy mutt... Until the stranger tries to leave the property... then in a wink he turns into Kujo.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #22 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:03am Dogs can smell fear and aggression, sharks can too. I don't think it is due to their intelligence, though, probably primary survival instinct embedded in their nervous system.
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Reply #23 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 11:57am

mozzaok wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 7:47am:

Well, I have seen, and experienced some 'weird' stuff in my time, but I expect most of it could be explained away, 'naturally', if we bothered to investigate it thoroughly.
Like Locutious said, it is more likely to do with the limitations of our own awareness.

I once had a neighbour with trained attack dogs, scary dobermans, which he warned against ever approaching, like, if we kicked the footy into his yard, do NOT try and retrieve it, because they will attack.
Anyway, one day I was wandering out to put my socket set back in my car, after fixing a tap, when I heard growling, I looked up to see one of the neighbours dogs had got out, and was crouched a meter away from me, ready to leap up and rip my throat out.
I froze.
Instantly I thought, sh1t, this dog is gonna rip my throat out, then, still frozen, showing no external change, I thought, if this mongrel moves, I will smash his skull in with this socket set.
The instant I changed my thought from fear, to aggression, the dog stopped growling, sat, looked at me for a few more seconds, then turned and walked away.

I always thought that it was the dog's intuition which let it know that I had become a threat to it, but if we examined it closely, it was more likely that dog's abilities to read body language, etc. showed the animal my intent.

I think for we humans, similiar things happen at times, but we don't analyse why we feel like we 'know' some things.

Dogs have an acute sense of smell. In a word, Pheronomes - or is it Fearonomes? Wink

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #24 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 12:09pm When an animal demonstrates that it can deceive is when an animal reveals its capacity for abstract thought.
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Reply #25 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 1:14pm

As I said, I have never really analysed how the dog picked up my change of attitude, but the idea of smelling fear, is certainly interesting.

I know I did not make any overt change in my attitude, I remained frozen on the spot, but whether my eyes changed, in how I looked at him, or if indeed pheremones would release so quickly, for the dog to be able to smell them, at the same instant that my attitude changed, I really don't know.

I have seen those people on the telly, who read body language, and they get some pretty spectacular results, and some animals certainly use it to read us humans, but as our spoken language evolved, our abilities with, reliance upon, this more intuitive form of communication, seems to have diminished.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49212 At my desk.	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #26 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 1:55pm I think it's just a case of use it or lose it. I suspect our legal system for example has reduced people's ability to detect fraud. If your next meal depended on not being ripped off, you'd be a lot more wary about who you opened your wallet for.
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Reply #27 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 2:00pm

Sometimes if an animal gives you a big enough fright, everyone can smell it. Grin

The closest I've had to losing control was in the lignum with maybe 3 metres visibility tops and a huge tusked boar casually strolls into view. No shotgun, only the bow and a 50 metre backpedal to the nearest tree. I can't remember if I said "mummy" or "F#@K Off" either way I was extremely lucky it was people shy. He probably had a laugh about it later.

Reminds me of the Farside cartoon where the bear is in the cave holding up some human hunter's skulls and saying to the youngsters....."OK once more then it's off to bed.......Hey Bill, do you think there are any bears in this cave??" Something like that

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Re: Intuition and sixth sense
Reply #28 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 2:06pm

mozzaok wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 1:14pm:

As I said, I have never really analysed how the dog picked up my change of attitude, but the idea of smelling fear, is certainly interesting.

I know I did not make any overt change in my attitude, I remained frozen on the spot, but whether my eyes changed, in how I looked at him, or if indeed pheremones would release so quickly, for the dog to be able to smell them, at the same instant that my attitude changed, I really don't know.

Body language experts will tell you that due to the tiny muscles around them, the eyes are the most subtle and best indicators of true intent. They're almost impossible to control. Smell is a dog's most acute sense so it wouldn't be surprising if dogs could smell adrenalin or bile or the host of chemicals the body releases when motivated by emotion.

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #29 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 3:11pm humans can easily sense fear and aggression in other people
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