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Reply #31 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:43am

Hmmm I think we should get over putting intuition in some kind of mystical context. What it comes down to is that we have two brains - a primitive brain and a cerebral cortex. Sensory input goes first to the primitive section of the brain, and is processed by the hypothalamus in conjunction with the Reticular Activating System. The processing function is baud limited and this is what gives us our reaction time. Not all information is passed on through the RAS, so some low level information lies dormant and gives us feelings of intuition - which some may describe as sixth sense. So in summary, we have rapidly acquired sensory information at 'low res' plus delayed information at 'high res'.

Some people call it gut feeling. Some people talk about feeling it in their heart and point to the fact that the heart itself contains neurons (Nerve cells) in support of some misguided belief that the heart or the gut have a cognitive role. In point of fact they are talking through another part of their anatomy, and (actually now that I come to think of it) the anus has more neurons than the heart anyway. (joking) Grin

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Reply #32 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:53am

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:43am:

Hmmm I think we should get over putting intuition in some kind of mystical context. What it comes down to is that we have two brains - a primitive brain and a cerebral cortex. Sensory input goes first to the primitive section of the brain, and is processed by the hypothalamus in conjunction with the Reticular Activating System. The processing function is baud limited and this is what gives us our reaction time. Not all information is passed on through the RAS, so some low level information lies dormant and gives us feelings of intuition - which some may describe as sixth sense. So in summary, we have rapidly acquired sensory information at 'low res' plus delayed information at 'high res'.

Some people call it gut feeling. Some people talk about feeling it in their heart and point to the fact that the heart itself contains neurons (Nerve cells) in support of some misguided belief that the heart or the gut have a cognitive role. In point of fact they are talking through another part of their anatomy, and (actually now that I come to think of it) the anus has more neurons than the heart anyway. (joking) Grin

The smart brains connected to the.... dumb brain.... the dumb brains connected to the... hypthalamoo.... Oh mercy how they scare.

Ah, yes... the biological reductionism song.

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Reply #34 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 10:09am

Reductionism? Well ok. It's just that we have a pretty good idea of how it all functions, and if some of the effects we are talking about are predictable consequences of this anyway, just why do we need to add superfluous mystical explanations?

It's like any other technical subject. We have the custodians of the technical information, who know how say computers work, then we have the general population who just use them.

If it is possible to grasp the technical details of a subject by investing some time and effort studying it, does that justify the lazy position of just attributing it all to the great Etruscan God Turms, who controls the internet, thought processes and in fact all information technology - biological or inorganic?

Is ignorance a good excuse for mysticism? You tell me, because ignorance, new age charlatanism and mysticism are all in plague proportions.

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Reply #35 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 10:28am

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 10:09am:

Reductionism? Well ok. It's just that we have a pretty good idea of how it all functions, and if some of the effects we are talking about are predictable consequences of this anyway, just why do we need to add superfluous mystical explanations?

It's like any other technical subject. We have the custodians of the technical information, who know how say computers work, then we have the general population who just use them.

If it is possible to grasp the technical details of a subject by investing some time and effort studying it, does that justify the lazy position of just attributing it all to the great Etruscan God Turms, who controls the internet, thought processes and in fact all information technology - biological or inorganic?

Is ignorance a good excuse for mysticism? You tell me, because ignorance, new age charlatanism and mysticism are all in plague proportions.

muso,

[off topic, but in the same ball park]

You ask.....

Quote:

.......Is ignorance a good excuse for mysticism?

You should watch this series, which is availble on YOUTUBE.

precis,
A group of scientists find mechanisms in our bodies, and in the bodies of animals, which they can't explain in/by evolution.

These scientists argue that, logically [and quite convincingly], that it would seem impossible that evolution could produce the particular mechanisms examined.

It is quite detailed, and scientific.

I have not seen a refutation of this scientific evidence, which questions how is it possible that evolution could produce such mechanisms within animal bodies?
.....[given the stated scientific understanding, of how evolution is supposed to work]

I have this program on DVD.

YOUTUBE
"Unlocking the Mystery of Life preview"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ot0YKHoTk

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Reply #36 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:47am

Yadda,

Here are a list of stupid things that I have taken a personal vow never to do again:

1. Repeat the same word over and over until it loses its meaning
2. Break into the monkey's enclosure at the zoo and make screeching animal noises.
3. Urinate against the prevailing wind
4. Anything involving fireworks and parts of my anatomy
5. Burn my hand by focussing the suns rays with a magnifying glass.
6. Attempt to learn tapdancing
7. Throw live ammunition into a bonfire
8. Plug the eyes from a dead fish I have just caught and eat them.
9. Sing on stage without attending any rehearsals
and finally:
10. Talk about science with a creationist.

You see, life is too short to waste time doing anything pointless.

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Reply #37 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:56am

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 10:09am:

Reductionism? Well ok. It's just that we have a pretty good idea of how it all functions, and if some of the effects we are talking about are predictable consequences of this anyway, just why do we need to add superfluous mystical explanations?

We dont.

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It's like any other technical subject. We have the custodians of the technical information, who know how say computers work, then we have the general population who just use them.

If it is possible to grasp the technical details of a subject by investing some time and effort studying it, does that justify the lazy position of just attributing it all to the great Etruscan God Turms, who controls the internet, thought processes and in fact all information technology - biological or inorganic?

Is ignorance a good excuse for mysticism? You tell me, because ignorance, new age charlatanism and mysticism are all in plague proportions."

Not really.... But mysticism is a whole lot more fun and whets the appetite for a sense of wonder.

In as much as mysticism can exist alongside science, it should.

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Re: Intuition and sixth sense
Reply #38 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:57am

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 9:43am:

Hmmm I think we should get over putting intuition in some kind of mystical context. What it comes down to is that we have two brains - a primitive brain and a cerebral cortex. Sensory input goes first to the primitive section of the brain, and is processed by the hypothalamus in conjunction with the Reticular Activating System. The processing function is baud limited and this is what gives us our reaction time. Not all information is passed on through the RAS, so some low level information lies dormant and gives us feelings of intuition - which some may describe as sixth sense. So in summary, we have rapidly acquired sensory information at 'low res' plus delayed information at 'high res'.

Some people call it gut feeling. Some people talk about feeling it in their heart and point to the fact that the heart itself contains neurons (Nerve cells) in support of some misguided belief that the heart or the gut have a cognitive role. In point of fact they are talking through another part of their anatomy, and (actually now that I come to think of it) the anus has more neurons than the heart anyway. (joking) Grin

Speaking about gut instincts, try this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879

Stephen Colbert should have been made an honourary life member of the Chasers after this speech. Gold!

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Reply #39 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:59am

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:47am:

Yadda,

Here are a list of stupid things that I have taken a personal vow never to do again:

1. Repeat the same word over and over until it loses its meaning
2. Break into the monkey's enclosure at the zoo and make screeching animal noises.
3. Urinate against the prevailing wind
4. Anything involving fireworks and parts of my anatomy
5. Burn my hand by focussing the suns rays with a magnifying glass.
6. Attempt to learn tapdancing
7. Throw live ammunition into a bonfire
8. Plug the eyes from a dead fish I have just caught and eat them.
9. Sing on stage without attending any rehearsals
and finally:
10. Talk about science with a creationist.

You see, life is too short to waste time doing anything pointless.

Some people just need a nice cup of cocoa and a lie down.

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Re: Intuition and sixth sense
Reply #40 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 12:28pm

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:47am:

Yadda,

Here are a list of stupid things that I have taken a personal vow never to do again:

1. Repeat the same word over and over until it loses its meaning
2. Break into the monkey's enclosure at the zoo and make screeching animal noises.
3. Urinate against the prevailing wind
4. Anything involving fireworks and parts of my anatomy
5. Burn my hand by focussing the suns rays with a magnifying glass.
6. Attempt to learn tapdancing
7. Throw live ammunition into a bonfire
8. Plug the eyes from a dead fish I have just caught and eat them.
9. Sing on stage without attending any rehearsals
and finally:
10. Talk about science with a creationist.
11. Talk about creation with an open minded scientist.

You see, life is too short to waste time doing anything pointless.

muso,

You missed one.

I've added it to your list for future reference. Cool

Now, where is that nice cup of cocoa?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #41 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:43pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:59am:

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 11:47am:

Yadda,

Here are a list of stupid things that I have taken a personal vow never to do again:

1. Repeat the same word over and over until it loses its meaning
2. Break into the monkey's enclosure at the zoo and make screeching animal noises.
3. Urinate against the prevailing wind
4. Anything involving fireworks and parts of my anatomy
5. Burn my hand by focussing the suns rays with a magnifying glass.
6. Attempt to learn tapdancing
7. Throw live ammunition into a bonfire
8. Plug the eyes from a dead fish I have just caught and eat them.
9. Sing on stage without attending any rehearsals
and finally:
10. Talk about science with a creationist.

You see, life is too short to waste time doing anything pointless.

Some people just need a nice cup of cocoa and a lie down.

If that was an ageist comment, I'll have you know that I still do some crazy things, and I'm actually still proud of having tried all the things on that list at least once. Don't stick labels on me. I like to break moulds.

By definition, Yadda just demonstrated that he prefers to speak to closed minded people (scientists included).

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Intuition and sixth sense Reply #42 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 2:04pm muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:43pm: If that was an ageist comment, I'll have you know that I still do some crazy things, and I'm actually still proud of having tried all the things on that list at least once. Don't stick labels on me. I like to break moulds. Don't mean no harm. Just 'avin a larf.
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Reply #43 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 3:22pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 2:04pm:

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:43pm:

If that was an ageist comment, I'll have you know that I still do some crazy things, and I'm actually still proud of having tried all the things on that list at least once. Don't stick labels on me. I like to break moulds.

Don't mean no harm. Just 'avin a larf.

HMMM

Yadda,

Just for a laugh, why don't you tell us what flavour of creationist you are, and why your own particular lofty Mountain top view of 'creation' (your personal unique insight into absolute truth) is superior to that of other types of creationists.

Maybe if you start me off with a round figure in years, we can do some haggling and agree over a figure. I'll start off the bidding with about 15 to 20 Billion years. What's your best offer?

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Reply #44 - Jan 30^th, 2009 at 3:45pm

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 3:22pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 2:04pm:

muso wrote on Jan 30^th, 2009 at 1:43pm:

If that was an ageist comment, I'll have you know that I still do some crazy things, and I'm actually still proud of having tried all the things on that list at least once. Don't stick labels on me. I like to break moulds.

Don't mean no harm. Just 'avin a larf.

HMMM

Yadda,

Just for a laugh, why don't you tell us what flavour of creationist you are, and why your own particular lofty Mountain top view of 'creation' (your personal unique insight into absolute truth) is superior to that of other types of creationists.

Maybe if you start me off with a round figure in years, we can do some haggling and agree over a figure. I'll start off the bidding with about 15 to 20 Billion years. What's your best offer?

muso,

This music clip must just about fit the bill for you ?....

Fatboy Slim - Right Here, Right Now
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Xh-MiiVMc

Grin

muso,

Believe whatever you want to believe.

We all do.

And that belief, is, becomes, a spiritual place.

We all choose that 'place', for ourselves.

And if you find it amusing that i believe in a creationist God, that is fine too. Wink

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