After having another little spat with Grendel - I looked up some information on the web about Christianity and sex - particularly pornography and lust.

It is interesting that those who call themselves good Christians are not listening to the word of God.  Does this make Christian men who lust over women they aren't married to and masturbate over pictures of naked girls hypocritical?  This is exactly what Muslims are accused of.

Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with adult pornography for those who are into it,  but then true Christian men should be obeying the word of God by keeping themselves clean before accusing others of being dirty.

I might have got the testaments mixed up but what difference does it make anyway?


Matthew 5:28 "If a man looks on a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already in his heart."

Psalm 101:3 "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes."

Philippians 4:7, 8 "Keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus... Whatsover things are pure... if there be any virtue... think on these things."

Ephesians 5:5 "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."

1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine"

Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Revelation 22:15 "For without are dog, and sorcerers, and
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

Many lustful sins take place in the dark, in secret, but nothing is hid from God:

Hebrews 4:13 "All things are naked and opened to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do."

Numbers 32:23 "Be sure your sin will find you out."

More serious than other sins?

Pornography seems more disgusting than other evils.

1 Corinthians 6:18 "Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. "

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 "What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you ...? therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

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Well said Yadda.  I am glad you included non-Muslims as well in your comments.  So in actual fact most males who preach devotion to their religion are hypocrites when it comes to matters of the body and the spirit?  

How can a devout religious person hate anyone and isn't forgiveness the first request God makes of those who desire his guidance?

We accuse others of lying about their motives, deeds and hatred of other religions - yet those making the accusations are doing exactly that.

The passage you quoted is very profound Yadda and practising Christians need to continually remind themselves of the words.  No matter what God you believe in - the laws of your religion tell you to show love to your brothers, regardless of their colour or creed?  

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What about what they actually "do"?  Or doesn't that count because it's done secretly?  

I'ld agree with you there mantra.

Whacking off is not really a spiritual thing to do.

Hope i never gave you the impression I was one who " who call themselves good Christians ...."

So mantra who are these people who go round calling themselves good christians and by what measure do you doubt them?

I gather they need to be saints for you to call them good.  

You really don't want me to explain in context all those quotes do you mantra?

Or should I just point out that God created man and Woman in all their nakedness and they were not unclean.

Oh and nor is it necessary for a man to look at a naked woman and feel the urge to masturbate.  

Good thing you are not a man...  they'd have to lock you up.

Oh and mantra...
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Oh and one final (I hope) thing...  a man can look at a woman and recognise her beauty and appreciate her beauty or even her sexuality...  but...  that doesn't mean he actually lusts after her.

IMO you are a sad pathetic individual.
Not only by trying to snipe at me but in trying to use such a flawed premise as an apology for Muslim behaviour.


I note...  it is not Christians who look at women as uncovered meat or who have so little self control that partial nudity sets them off.

I suggest you start wearing a burkah.

Oh and I'd appreciate it if in your pathetic bitterness you didn't lie about me. 
Have I been to BIBLE SCHOOL...  yes... and I even considered studying Theology.

Good humour....  you are either a liar or have no clue as to what funny is.

On both counts you'd make a good Muslim.

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 1:00pm:



FD,

I would have expressed that slightly differently.

"That depends on what they actually say  do ."


Nobody has to act on their lust.

You can choose to turn away from it.

People can choose to act according to how they believe that they should act.
....or even [now here is a novel concept!     ] decide to act in a way, in which they know they would want others to act, towards themselves.



As far as sex goes, we can choose to act as an animal would act [driven by its instinct, seeking our own pleasure], or we can act as thinking, reasoning, beings.

Why do you think that rape is so prevalent in our society ???

Is it because today, many people, without a second thought, act selfishly, merely thinking of their own pleasure?

Why do so many ppl within our society today believe that, that morality [acting selfishly] is OK?

Why is it, today, that for some reason, for many ppl, ethics count for so little?

Dictionary,
ethics = =
1 [usu. treated as pl.] the moral principles governing or influencing conduct.
2 [usu. treated as sing.] the branch of knowledge concerned with moral principles.


If you are in a shop, and you notice that the shop assistant has made a mistake in the change [in your favour], you don't have to walk out of the shop with that money which is not yours.

You can choose to point out the error to the shop assistant.



Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



p.s.

I have made many moral mistakes in my life.

And i'm sure that i still do.

But today, because i fear God, i try to act as though God is always looking over my shoulder.

Will God forgive me for my mistakes [past, present, and future]?

That is his promise, to those who repent.

Dictionary,
repent = = feel or express sincere regret or remorse. Ø (repent oneself of) archaic feel regret or penitence about.

I ask him to forgive me, every day.

I don't believe, so much as already know, that God is just, and that is enough for me.
....i.e. If i know that God is just, what do i have to complain about?

God is true and just.