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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #15 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:58am

mantra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 12:53pm:

The passage you quoted is very profound Yadda and practising Christians need to continually remind themselves of the words. No matter what God you believe in - the laws of your religion tell you to show love to your brothers, regardless of their colour or creed
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For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

mantra,

That is true.

[Love, seeking 'the good', for the other person.]

I just hope that in those words, you are not confusing 'show love to your brothers, regardless of their colour or creed', with a need for the tolerance, of what is clearly evil?

Because, i don't believe that the nature of love can in any way be construed to include any tolerance of evil.

The nature of evil, is contrary to the essence, and the expression of love.

Yet today, it seems very difficult for many to comprehend, that,
.....TOLERANCE OF EVIL, IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH COMPASSION, OR LOVE.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

"And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good - need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"

Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance
Robert M Pirsig

Can love also mean rebuking those who are [perhaps ignorantly] clearly doing, or promoting, evil?

Why not?

And to state it clearly, i don't hate muslims, i believe that they are deceived.

I hate ISLAM, for its lies, its deception, and its violence.

ISLAM is pure EVIL.

And speaking TRUTH is not 'hatred'.

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Psalms 34:14
Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalms 7:11
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #16 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 6:35am

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That is true.

[Love, seeking 'the good', for the other person.]

I just hope that in those words, you are not confusing 'show love to your brothers, regardless of their colour or creed', with a need for the tolerance, of what is clearly evil?

Because, i don't believe that the nature of love can in any way be construed to include any tolerance of evil.

The nature of evil, is contrary to the essence, and the expression of love.

Yet today, it seems very difficult for many to comprehend, that,
.....TOLERANCE OF EVIL, IS NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH COMPASSION, OR LOVE.

Yes Yadda - you make a lot of sense and you are obviously a devout Christian, but you do show intolerance to all Muslims when there is only a minority that are violent. You believe a lot of the propaganda you read and maybe before you judge one group of people so harshly, you should dig a little deeper and try to understand the reasons they behave the way they do.

Can't you judge people individually on their merits?

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"I'm not Christian. But I want to tell Christians how to act and think I know their religion better then do. --mantra"

Jim you have no idea what you're talking about, nor the reason for this thread being put up.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #17 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 6:42am ROTFLMAO I don't hate any Muslims, nor do I hate Islam mantra. That doesn't mean I am ignorant of it and the ramifications of the actions and beliefs of many of its adherents. Your problem is you think many is a harmless minority. You are ignorant and self-deluded.
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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #18 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 8:09am

mantra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 6:35am:

Yes Yadda - you make a lot of sense and you are obviously a devout Christian, but you do show intolerance to all Muslims when there is only a minority that are violent.

You believe a lot of the propaganda

you read and maybe before you judge one group of people so harshly, you should dig a little deeper and try to understand the reasons they behave the way they do.

Can't you judge people individually on their merits?

mantra,

More of the 'propaganda' against muslims / ISLAM.....

THE 'GOODNESS' OF ISLAM, ON DISPLAY

/sarc off

THE 'GOODNESS' OF ISLAM, ON DISPLAY

/sarc off

Christian schoolgirl Indonesia - Muslim protester London

Of course, the Muslim protester holding the placard in London, doesn't really mean it.
Its just a joke, right?
/sarc off

mantra,

People like yourself may suggest, or call me, a hate monger, or a bigot, or a 'racist'.

I speak and expose the TRUTH about ISLAM, and myself, and others like me, are vilified by supposedly 'moderate' muslims and their friends.

Muslims need to hold up a mirror, to themselves.

Muslims need to examine, what is in their own hearts.

mantra,

Be assured....

THERE ARE NO MODERATE MUSLIMS.

A MODERATE MUSLIM, IS A KUFFAR! [this is not according to me. but according to ISLAM's 'holy' texts].

NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM IS 'MODERATE',
....ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT.

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Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar, YOU are the unbeliever.

You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God.

You muslims insist that ONLY muslims are the 'properly guided'.

Is he who is on a path of lies and deception, 'properly guided'??

AN EXPLANATION OF THE WORD 'KUFFAR'...

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuffar

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0

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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 4:12pm

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Exactly Mozzaok, although I'm not sure about those who are hypocritical only representing a small proportion of Christians. It seems that a vast number of them are just that.

Mantra, before you can justifiably label someone a hypocrit, you must first know what they say, what they do, and that it is contradictory. All you have done so far is make vague allusions as to what they do.

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Yes Yadda - you make a lot of sense and you are obviously a devout Christian, but you do show intolerance to all Muslims when there is only a minority that are violent.

It is Islam he is intolerant of. An ideology, not a person. Ther are plenty of Muslims who are not violent, but who believe that it would be righteous to violently overthrow our government and replace it with an Islamic dictatorship as soon as they have the power to do so. It is an ideology that teaches peace when you are losing and unending violence when you are winning.

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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #20 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:12pm

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Mantra, before you can justifiably label someone a hypocrit, you must first know what they say, what they do, and that it is contradictory. All you have done so far is make vague allusions as to what they do.

FD I've met a lot of people in my lifetime who claim to be Christians and most of them are decidedly unchristian, particularly when it comes to their treatment of others and their own bad habits.

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It is Islam he is intolerant of. An ideology, not a person. Ther are plenty of Muslims who are not violent, but who believe that it would be righteous to violently overthrow our government and replace it with an Islamic dictatorship as soon as they have the power to do so. It is an ideology that teaches peace when you are losing and unending violence when you are winning.

Yadda does appear intolerant at times and he should have posted links to those pictures.

What you say doesn't make sense. If they teach peace when they are losing - why do you and others consistently talk about how violent Hamas is?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #21 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:23pm Thats really odd because I've hardly met anyone who states they are Christian. Do you ask everybody mantra? Personally I don't deny it but don't advertise it.
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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #22 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:44pm

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Do you ask everybody mantra?

That's an intelligent question Grendel (not).

I spent some time attending various churches when I was younger - looking for something I couldn't find and combined with the religious preaching I was forced to tolerate as a child "christians" in general don't present a pretty picture. But I have met plenty since then and born agains certainly let you know that Jesus is their saviour - you don't have to ask.

I find more honesty in atheists or agnostics.

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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #23 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 5:52pm

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FD I've met a lot of people in my lifetime who claim to be Christians and most of them are decidedly unchristian, particularly when it comes to their treatment of others and their own bad habits.

Perhaps you merely don't know what it means to be a Christian.

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What you say doesn't make sense. If they teach peace when they are losing - why do you and others consistently talk about how violent Hamas is?

Hamas claimed a great victory. They are violent because they think they can achieve something with their violence. They are delusional. If they were 'good Muslims', they would wait until they were in a position to slaughter the Jews.

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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #24 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 6:25pm Quote: Perhaps you merely don't know what it means to be a Christian. What do you think a Christian is supposed to be like FD?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38824 Gender:	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #25 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 7:41pm mantra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 6:25pm: Quote: Perhaps you merely don't know what it means to be a Christian. What do you think a Christian is supposed to be like FD? Does anyone really give a fig, FD? I sure don't.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #26 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 8:32pm I don't have any special expectations of Christians. Maybe forgiveness and turning the other cheek. But I don't think they are supposed to be the 'requirements' of being a Christian. They are the benefits.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #27 - Feb 4^th, 2009 at 9:50pm Is there any good islamic porn or is it always the case of "cat in a bag"?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Pornography and the Christian man Reply #28 - Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:21am yes mantra is clueless... she doesn't even understand the basic premise iof Christianity
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Re: Pornography and the Christian man
Reply #29 - Feb 5^th, 2009 at 7:02am

I asked FD what he thought a Christian should be like and he replied that they should be forgiving and turn the other cheek. That makes sense, although I don't like the bit about turning the other cheek.

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yes mantra is clueless...
she doesn't even understand the basic premise iof Christianity

So OK Mr. Expert on Christianity (and everything else) - what is the very basic premise of Christianity?

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