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Reply #30 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:09am
 
The basic premise is that Christ died for our sins mantra... 

You on the otherhand are clueless as to what a Christian is...  you think they are supposed to be perfect.  Oh dear...  then there would be no need for Christ to have died.
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Reply #31 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:13am
 
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The basic premise is that Christ died for our sins mantra... 

You on the otherhand are clueless as to what a Christian is...  you think they are supposed to be perfect.  Oh dear...  then there would be no need for Christ to have died.


I don't think you understand yourself Grendel what the basic premise of Christianity is.

He died for our sins, yet "Christians" keep on sinning.  Isn't the most basic premise as FD pointed out - forgiveness.  We ask God to forgive us and in return we are to forgive others.
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Reply #32 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:14am
 
rotflmao

Do you suppose you are arguing against what I just said?

You should steer clear of topics you don't understand.

You just make yourself look foolish.
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Reply #33 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:28am
 
OK - more empty rhetoric from you Grendel - what else could anyone expect. 

I have never believed that there is a God, but I have taken on board a few biblical philosophies - those which I understand and are meaningful to me in my life.  I have only ever met a few "good" christians and unfortunately most have only become that way towards the end of their life.

To me a good Christian is a good person and those who are cruel, callous and indifferent, yet call themselves Christians have no understanding of why their "Lord" supposedly died for them.

God in my eyes is goodness and there is little of that coming from many self declared Christians. 

Of course no-one is perfect but by claiming you fall under a religious banner - you are declaring that you are striving to be a good person. It's a load of bulldust.
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Reply #34 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:36am
 
Declaring you are under any religious banner is just declaring you are of that church or religion.  You can be born into it.

If I say I'm Christian it only means I believe that Jesus was the son of God and died for my sins.  It doesn't mean I'm perfect.

Oh and I already explained the rest of that, which seems to have gone right over your head.

Who are you saying bulldust to mantra?
Who are you to judge others.
Careful of that mote.

BTW I'm sick of you beiong the obsessive bitter bitch to me...  you need to find someone else to obsess over.  Calenan has a high opinion of you try him for a while.
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Reply #35 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:51am
 
Your continual abuse is forcing me off this board Grendel.  If I wanted to obsess over someone - it certainly wouldn't be you.  If anything you are the one who responds to my comments.

Your nastiness is getting to me Grendel, so I'll leave you to it.  
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Reply #36 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 7:57am
 
abuse...  you are kidding.

nastiness...  oh dear, is that code for disagreeing with you?

Like many others do.

No mantra, you got the problem...  not me.
maybe I should target your religion, or intelligence or personal habits or sex life or parenting skills or...  yes the list of personal abuse is almost endless isn't it.  Want me to keep holding the mirror up oh hypocrite.
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Reply #37 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 8:08am
 
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Hey, my girlfriend is Christian, and she wouldn't espouse to any of this bullcrap. Why don't you worry about yourself?

You pagans are all alike. You think you're intillectual juggarnauts just cause you call yourselves a religion noone takes the time to study because who gives a crap what a bunch of overweight, hippy, dykes think?

But the truth is.. Wicca was not even founded on neo-femenist principles.

A: The guy who invented Wicca did so in 1960. Quite convient since this was the flower power age...

B: He was grotestly against homosexuals. Calling them a perversion to the goddess.

C: He was militantly prolife.

D: He detested promiscueity and hendonism.

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If the guy who had invented Wicca were alive today everyone would just assume he was part of the Christian-right conspiracy and ignore him. Turns out nature and Pan do not take kindly to pseudo-intillectuals...

I consider myself a Satanist. Which is basically objectivism for goth and fat people.. We have tons of fun trolling objectivist forums, schooling them in being self-righteouss pricks! Why just the other day some dragqueen Satanist mopped the floor with some fat version of Hunter S. Thompson. You won't get that sortof unadulterated chaos anywhere else!

My girlfriend was a bit skepitical dating a Satanist. Untill I explained to her I have no desire to take God's place, only to be a man... her man..

And it was hurricane Katrina flood all over again in her panties lulz! I'm like something out of smacking Twilight. Why does Jim Profit sparkle?! Cheesy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xffrnToC7QI
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Reply #38 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 9:47am
 
mantra wrote on Feb 4th, 2009 at 5:12pm:
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Mantra, before you can justifiably label someone a hypocrit, you must first know what they say, what they do, and that it is contradictory. All you have done so far is make vague allusions as to what they do.


FD I've met a lot of people in my lifetime who claim to be Christians and most of them are decidedly unchristian, particularly when it comes to their treatment of others and their own bad habits.

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It is Islam he is intolerant of. An ideology, not a person. Ther are plenty of Muslims who are not violent, but who believe that it would be righteous to violently overthrow our government and replace it with an Islamic dictatorship as soon as they have the power to do so. It is an ideology that teaches peace when you are losing and unending violence when you are winning.


Yadda does appear intolerant at times and he should have posted links to those pictures.
 


Why should i have?

Perhaps, as an explanation for the rage being expressed by those muslims?


The source of the images:

I searched Google Images, for those images.



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What you say doesn't make sense.  If they teach peace when they are losing - why do you and others consistently talk about how violent Hamas is?



What FD said is very true.

ISLAM is an ideology that portrays itself as peaceful when it is losing / weak, but engages in unending merciless violence [against it 'enemies'] when it is winning / stronger.

When ISLAM is still powerless within another host culture, muslims revel in the portrayal of their own 'victimhood'.

This is a strategy of war.

It is a strategy used in war.

It is called deception.



FOR EXAMPLE, WITHIN GAZA.....

Hamas has rocket propelled grenades.

But Hamas encourages 'Palestinian' children to throw rocks at Israeli tanks.

Q.
Why don't the Hamas fighters fire those RPG's at Israeli tanks?

A.
The images of 'Palestinian' children to throwing rocks at Israeli tanks makes much better copy, on Western mainstream media, and within Western lounge rooms.




How do the Hamas fighters use those RPG's?

Hamas has fired their RPG's at internet cafes, international schools, libraries, and universities within Gaza.

Q.
Why?

A.
Because those are all places / sources of independent of information which Hamas wishes to suppress and destroy.
All un-ISLAMIC sources of information, those sources of information which could be critical of ISLAM/ muslims, are 'verbotten'.




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ELSEWHERE ON OZ POL......

As i said, the EU and the West' are dupes - to the ISLAMIC 'victim' propaganda.

But, the 'Palestinians' leadership still have enough 'sense' to shut down Internet cafes, and other sources of independent information,
KEEPING THEIR OWN PEOPLE LIVING IN IGNORANCE AND SQUALOR...


News items,

Dec. 2, 2006
Gaza women warned of immodesty
A....group calling itself the Just Swords of Islam issued a warning to Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip over the weekend that they must wear the hijab or face being targeted by the group's members.
.....The group said its followers last week threw acid at the face of a young woman who was dressed "immodestly" in the center of Gaza City.
.....the group also claimed responsibility for attacks on 12 Internet cafes over the past few days.
....."We will have no mercy on any woman who violates the traditions of Islam and who also hang out in Internet cafes."
ACCORDING TO THE GROUP, ITS MEMBERS USED ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES to attack 12 Internet cafes and a number of music shops in different parts of the Gaza Strip.
It said the places were targeted because they were "distracting an entire generation of Palestinians from their duty to worship [Alla] and jihad....
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881802888&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter


June 3, 2008
Anti-Christian 'Cleansing' Campaign Picks Up Pace in Gaza
Attacks on Christian targets and those identified with Western culture have grown more frequent in Gaza in the past two years, and especially since the Hamas takeover in June 2007, experts say. The targets have included churches, Christian and United Nations schools, the American International School, libraries and Internet cafes.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126388


SEE....
"Israeli treatment of Palestinians"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229690857/119#119



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #39 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 10:36am
 
That first news item is disgusting....

Pity Israel didn't wipe out the lot of them
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Reply #40 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 6:54pm
 
Here's the thing I don't agree with in Christianity.

Everyone thinks they can do as they will as God will forgive everything they do.

However, I think you need to feel true and total remorse for what you have done, otherwise it is just lip service.

And if you feel true remorse, guilt and perhaps shame for what you have done, then you are hardly going to be doing bad things to start with, are you?

Porn I generally have a problem with hardcore stuff that is just pure animal, it doesn't do anything for me. There is a website www.forthegirls.com, and if you look past the pinup guys and the guys solo, the videos you find can be quite a refreshing change to the hardcore stuff you find, even though it would be considered x rated.

Yeah, no one is perfect, but there's differences between naughty, bad and morally incomprehensible.

Everything you do in life you should not feel bad about, because you shouldn't consciously choose to do the wrong thing. Forgiveness isn't something you should ever have to ask for.
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Reply #41 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 6:57pm
 
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Here's the thing I don't agree with in Christianity.

Everyone thinks they can do as they will as God will forgive everything they do.


No that's not right at all easel...
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Reply #42 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 7:06pm
 
Sorry my background is basically Catholic, which I am trying to escape from and find pure Christianity, however I was always led to believe, perhaps erroneously, that God will forgive all sins.
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Reply #43 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 7:28pm
 
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However, I think you need to feel true and total remorse for what you have done, otherwise it is just lip service.

And if you feel true remorse, guilt and perhaps shame for what you have done, then you are hardly going to be doing bad things to start with, are you?


Well at least you wouldn't do it a second time - but I know what you mean.

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Sorry my background is basically Catholic, which I am trying to escape from and find pure Christianity,


Pure Christianity is what a lot of people are looking for - but maybe it's the wrong term and there's another phrase for it.  Grendel says you're a Christian if you believe God died for your sins - and that might have happened, but it's hard to believe he was resurrected 3 days later.  

So by these standards as long as you believe he died on the cross - you can call yourself a Christian with no other criteria attached.

I mentioned earlier that I've come across pure Christianity on a few occasions, but these people weren't far off death - so I suppose looming death is what it takes to become a truly saint like person.
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Reply #44 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 7:42pm
 
No that's not what I said at all...  are you a Catholic too?
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