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Reply #15 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 8:59pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 4th, 2009 at 1:38am:
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[quote]after refusing to hire a Muslim stylist who wouldn’t show her hair at work


Why should any job force women to show any parts of their body they consider part of their private and personal space (nakedness)?? That's just ridiculous!


Where do you get orf?/

In England, no woman is forced to be a hairdresser. And why should a salon owner hire someone who refuses to reveal her own hair. Nobody is asking her to show her arse or any other private parts. I would not want a dentist near me who has rotting teeth, a dermatologist with scabs.


Anyway, what's with you guys and hair? The women must hide theirs, the blokes must show off theirs and you all shave where nobody is looking. Is this a fetish or what?






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Reply #16 - Feb 5th, 2009 at 10:06pm
 
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It probably falls under the third category.


So the examples given are just a sample from a broader rule that you haven't really defined here? How broad are these rules? Are the examples you gave deceptive in that they exagerate the specificity of the rules?

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This is your real point isn't it, the urge and desire to find omitted details.


Duh.

Actually, I am seeking details that should be out in the open. The problem is that the details that are out in the open (eg yaddas websites) are often wrong, in the sense that they are not representative, while those who do know what Islam is all about seem to try to hide the details. So there is this conflict between those who would reveal the truth about Islam and those who believe it. I would much prefer you were open and honest about Islam, but you have decided that being open and honest would further my goals, so you can't be. So we are in this absurd position where you avoid the questions that are closest to the truth and only respond to those that are far enough away from the truth to give you leaway in how you choose to answer. To get to the truth I must follow up on the questions you choose not to answer, as those always seem to end up being the most interesting ones. That's why I put together the wiki, to capture those moments when you give the answer to interesting questions.

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As you please.


Do you have an opinion on whether it has a scriptural basis?
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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 3:03am
 
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Nobody is asking her to show her arse or any other private parts.


A Woman's concept of her own nakedness is hers and hers alone, not yours to dictate to her. Should women be forced to wear low cut dresses that show the shoulders? since it doesn't display the posterior...  which seems to be your criteria on if something should be considered nakedness or not.

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I would not want a dentist near me who has rotting teeth, a dermatologist with scabs.


That's about as relevant as claiming a gynaecologist should be forced to expose their genitals to make sure they don't have herpes..

Do hair dressers cut their own hair or something??? Is seeing their hair, going to reassure you they're a good hair dresser, because they cut their own hair well??
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Reply #18 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 3:11am
 
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So the examples given are just a sample from a broader rule that you haven't really defined here?


They are general rules, with an example given in all 3 cases. Either way, no matter whether it fits into those categories or not  is irrelevant. The initial point was that lying about the teachings of Islam is not permitted in any situation, which is what Yadda et al claim "al-Taqiyyah" is, when it clearly is not.

Lying to save one's life may also fall under the general permission to do generally forbidden actions, in order to save one's life. Such as eat pork or drink alcohol.

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while those who do know what Islam is all about seem to try to hide the details.


This is just not true at all fd. I've never lied, nor concealed anything from you about Islamic teachings. You are just paranoid and suspicious, and your paranoia has been combined with the lies Yadda et al have fed you, leaving you doubting every single discussion that takes place, searching high and low for hidden meanings and omitted details etc. Demanding that everything you ask is immeediately answered, and charging that not volunteering things which you never even asked about is a lie of omission.
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Reply #19 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 9:29am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 6th, 2009 at 3:03am:
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Nobody is asking her to show her arse or any other private parts.

Should women be forced to wear low cut dresses that show the shoulders?


Only if they want a job as swimwear models. Actually, I'd like to see a hijabi applying for a waitressing job at hooters.

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Reply #20 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 11:29am
 
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They are general rules, with an example given in all 3 cases. Either way, no matter whether it fits into those categories or not  is irrelevant. The initial point was that lying about the teachings of Islam is not permitted in any situation, which is what Yadda et al claim "al-Taqiyyah" is, when it clearly is not.


Those those three examples weren't meant to contradict the claim about lying? They were just a distraction? Why don't you give the general rules and let others decide for themselves what they mean?

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I've never lied, nor concealed anything from you about Islamic teachings. You are just paranoid and suspicious


You have openly refused to answer my questions, not on the grounds that you were unable to, but on the grounds that I might use it against you.

You also managed to cocneal the issue of concubines for example, for a very long time, by claiming that muslims may not have extramarital sex. That was blatant deception, and you kept it up for a very long time and did your best to avoid confirming our suspicions when the truth finally came out. You kept up that charade for months.

Are you suggesting that my suspicions are unwarranted after going through that saga?
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