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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: requirements for prayer Reply #15 - Mar 11^th, 2009 at 12:06pm I would have an issue with someone putting their feet in a wash basin. If it was meant for feet, then it would be on the ground.
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Reply #16 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 9:01pm

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Wudhu (ablutions) are most definitely a part of Islam, as they are of most religions. No embarressment about admitting to adhering to it here.

-Abu

Well Abu, it does raise lots of speculation amongst non-muslims, and your obvious reticence, to spell out in detail, exactly what is the prescribed ritual, is understandable, but frustrating also.

The reticence, we can assume, is due to the fact that so many are just looking for some more things to ridicule Islam over.
There curiosity starts and finishes from the uncharitable aspect of seeking to demean, and you could well ask yourself why would you wish to indulge such shallow, and base intentions?

I think the answer, Abu, lies in the fact that, for you, and the many millions more like you, the ritual does have a spiritual significance, that overrides those petty snipes, and in openly embracing it, you display, quite honestly, and proudly, that it is all a part of the rituals that help you to establish your personal spirituality, and as such, something you respect, cherish, and hold dear.

So, for the sake of clearing up the misconceptions, and to remove the opportunity for some, to create false impressions, if you could lay out the full ritual for cleansing before prayers, then we should hope to be able to leave it there, and even the critics will have to respect the honesty of your answer.

Mind you, if you do not want to, that is your choice, but I fear the speculation will probably continue, and grow wilder still, if you choose not to clear up the misconceptions now.

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Reply #17 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 9:09am

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I already provided a link to detailed information about ablutions in all major world religions, and here's one that describes specifically Islamic ablutions in great detail. If you're sincerely interested, read it, if you don't understand anything, feel free to ask.

You're right though, I'm not particularly interested in discussing it with those whose intention is to mock and even invent false characteristics about Islamic purification rituals. Nor do I think it's as important to dispel their obvious lies as you seem to.

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Reply #18 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 10:40am

What link Abu?

I only saw the link to the wikipedia site, for ritual purification, which does not go into any detail.
So far we have had people claiming you must shave off your body hair, that you must wash your genitals, etc. and those are the sorts of things that I was hoping would be clarified.

So if you could repost the link for the detailed description, that would be good.

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Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 11:58am

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What link Abu?

I just gave you a link in my last post. Please look again.

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So far we have had people claiming you must shave off your body hair

That's got nothing at all to do with requirements for prayer. Different issue. Shaving of pubic and underarm hair is indeed a part of Islam, and this has been discussed before.

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that you must wash your genitals

You must wash your genitals when having a shower (as I'd assume any half sane culture would also advise) but again, nothing to do with requirements for prayer.

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: requirements for prayer Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 12:49pm You need your religion to tell you to wash your genitals when you shower? Really. There's no independent thought at all, is there?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: requirements for prayer Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 3:31pm Although it might occur to a lot of people, to some it would not. Remember also, that in that time, many cultures barely bathed at all. Also in the west most people don't even wash their hands after using the toilet let alone their genitals (ie. when filth is actually being outlet from them)
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: requirements for prayer Reply #22 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 4:09pm Oh please, you're full of crap, abu. Most people in the west don't wash their hands after using the toilet? You'd have to be kidding me! Way to generalise.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: requirements for prayer Reply #23 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 4:31pm I've worked in a lot of offices and other places, and observed. I noticed this actually from a young age. The vast majority simply do not wash their hands. You can deny it all you like, but it's a fact.
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Reply #24 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 4:47pm

Here's an interesting study:

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In an observational study of 200 people washing their hands in the public toilets of a food hall carried out on 11 October 2002 only 20% of females and 7% of males observed used the correct procedure of washing their hands for at least 10 seconds, rubbing soap all over their hands, rinsing and drying for 10 seconds with a clean towel or 20 seconds with a hand dryer. 8% of females and 29% of males failed to wash their hands at all after going to the toilet.

93% of males don't wash their hands properly, and almost 30% don't even wash at all.

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Reply #25 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 8:06pm

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 13^th, 2009 at 4:31pm:

I've worked in a lot of offices and other places, and observed. I noticed this actually from a young age. The vast majority simply do not wash their hands. You can deny it all you like, but it's a fact.

Simply because you may have observed something through your tainted eyes, does not make it a fact.

Fact.

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