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Theory on the theory of Karma
Feb 8th, 2009 at 2:01pm
 
I have a theory that the concept of karma was invented by people who wanted to help save the world and knew that they had to deceive the people who they wanted to embrace this theory in order to get it to work.

Most people can clearly see that the majority of humanity is no good, easily judging by the state of the world we live in now.

Now, according to my theory, some smart people decided to toy with the idea that people are always on a quest for understanding of the unknown, and the why we are here question is one that has intrigued many for as long as history.

So they decided to invent a concept called karma to try and make people behave and be nice to each other, in order to improve the conditions of all people everywhere.

The sad part is that they had to do this, promise people something for being good, rather than having it come naturally to them and just being nice.
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Reply #1 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 2:59pm
 
I think you demonstrate a misunderstanding of Karma. It's not just about people. At it's most basic, we have the bad Karma of a faulty or poorly constructed floorboard. Later on, somebody steps on it and they fall through the floor to their death.

Karma at a basic level is cause and effect. In some respects, it's a totally logical concept. We have parallels in the phrase "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6)
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Reply #2 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 3:17pm
 
I think you demonstrate a misunderstanding of my post.

I was trying to convey the idea that perhaps karma was invented to make people behave because they suck at knowing the difference between right and wrong and some smart people saw a way to help get humans to experience humanity.
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 3:34pm
 
I think you are projecting far too much conscious thought onto the process easel. Are you familiar with memes ('hereditary' units of culture) and the Darwinian analysis of culture?

If an idea like Karma improves societies in which it arises, then the idea itself is likely to spread.

You can apply this cocnept to things like democracy, personal freedom, academic enquiry etc, to show that they not only make a society nicer to live in, they also increase the ability of a society to survive. They make the society more resilient. That is why, despite the apparently virulent and ratcheting nature of Islam, democracy is spreading from the west to the middle east, rather than theocracy spreading from the middle east to the west.
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 4:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 3:34pm:
That is why, despite the apparently virulent and ratcheting nature of Islam, democracy is spreading from the west to the middle east, rather than theocracy spreading from the middle east to the west.

Democracy is being spread by the sword in the Middle East. Ataturk did it that way in Turkey to return the nation to the western fold. The Turkish army is what keeps Turkey democratic. No need to explain the force of arms needed to maintain Iraqi democracy. While Israel remains democratic, it can expect and will receive full support from the great democracies of the world, most notably the US.
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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 4:46pm
 
That doesn't contradict the Darwinian explanation.
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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 5:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 8th, 2009 at 4:46pm:
That doesn't contradict the Darwinian explanation.

And Islam on the rise in Europe?
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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 5:38pm
 
It depends what you mean by Islam. As a political force, which it is in a fundamental sense, it has been declining for nearly 1000 years and is still declining. Most of the localised changes are due to immigration. Don't take Abu's claims about mass conversion too seriously. Most immigrants went to Europe to escape Islamism. Some may return to the religion as it's political power is eroded. Many will not.

Also, the spread is also an indication of the spread of another progressive change - freedom of religion. Christian missionaries for example are in Iraq for the the first time (ever, I suspect).
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Reply #8 - Feb 10th, 2009 at 8:13am
 
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Karma is just man's attempt to convince themself there is justice in the world. It doesn't take a genius to figureout otherwise. The universe is cold and bleak. Filled with void, emptiness, and radiation bleaching any life from exsistence.

Even on our own little planet, we are sorrounded with death and despair. From the harsh elements that take us, to the taxing proccess of aging. If it isn't nature destroying us, it's some foreign animal looking for food, or some other human looking for.. whatever!

Life is only good because it defies everything else. We are constantly reminded and compelled to give into death, it is our fate, our lord and master. Death looms over us, demanding we giveup what little we have. And life says NO! Life fights back, and struggles, refusing to give into the permeating nothingness, and vows to immortalize itself someday in a burst of glory and creation! This is where I think they got the story for God and all that... it's all very symbolic you see. And "true" in the sense that in the beggining there was nothing, and then there was. Chaos is constantly being limited by the sounds of law. Our universe runs on basic mechanics, but also relies on dice. Like Dungeons&Dragons...


People that believe in karma want to believe that they can make life better for themselves and others by paying attention to the flat statistics. They are rules lawyers... I don't believe that. People far worse then I are better off, and some better people are much worse off, there is no karma. Only rolls of the dice, and some people have managed to better control their dice rolls. Loaded dice, making better use of their dice, I don't know... But they do it. And it paysout bigtime.

Albert Einstein said God does not play with dice. Maybe God doesn't. But then God is the product of the lawful system that "if we do good, good things will happen to us..."

As far as I'm concerned Enstien was a clever ape who turned his back on science and enginuiety for celebritism. It's because of him the nazis collapsed, that is unforgivvable.

As far as Muslim Jihadists go, even though their obsession with religious practices is uncomfortable. They spin circles around the west. I hope they ultimately accomplish their goal and fortify Europe and other nation-states as Islamic territory. They deserve it.

If karma were real, the evils of the west would not exist. We have to make our own justice and roll them bones!
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