NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 30^th, 2009 at 3:34pm:


Maybe that is just me. I found believing in life on other worlds no mental effort whatsoever, yet believing in fairies, dragons and gods could, at my most amiable and compliant be labled as simple possibilities. I believe in mysteries not miracles. I am of course a Star Trek fan but mainly for the conjecture associated with future technologies, I became bored with the consistant anthropomorphic encounters although that was explained in latter storylines. It was nice, but just a story. Star Wars I was not so facinated with, I was much more impressed with the Alien movie.

Super intelligent creatures could very well be as Douglas Adams very cleverly describes..Lab Rats. Or they could be silican chips that are powered and spring to life only during solar flares. I'm not making a categorical prediction. I will say that it seems reasonable for certain body types and parts to be applicable to certain functions and efforts. The freeing of at least one set of limbs from motion duty is very handy for tool makers as well as the concept of this belongs to me ie I can take this with me, I can keep this stick/club etc. Dexterity of those limbs allows the physical realisation to more sophisticated tools. There may be many many species that have our basic body type or variations of it. Do I suppose some kinship with them? Hardly.

locutius wrote on Apr 30^th, 2009 at 4:38pm:

I meant super-intelligence as being much greater than the best of our own and includes super-technology commensurate with super-intelligence.

And big numbers of objects are just that... and that fact does not, per se, imply the existence of life, intelligent or super-intelligent beings.

I think it is possible for beings that fit your definition of "super-intelligence" to exist of course. Do they definitely exist? I don't know. Like I said, there are many different levels of intelligence right here from lowly insects and christian peasants (mostly hardwired) to humans (mostly learned) intelligence). Partially it has something to do with brain size but I think more importantly it has to do with wiring of the brain. Brain size ultimately MAY be a limiter as certain bird exibit quite remarkable intelligence equal to a 3 year old child or christian peasant.

I can well imagine that a species that developed both a large brain and super abundant neural pathways (maybe they have 8 limbs, 4 eyes and live in a world of extreme predaton) developes super intelligence and super technology and no religion.

For me, the vast numbers are not a clincher to the argument just icing on the cake. Earth is my example and the mechanics that allowed life here are available potentially in decillions of places throughout the universe and millions in our own galaxy. I also accept that Intelligence is maybe so rare that it only succeeds is a minute fraction of those places.

So the fallacy of numbers means nothing to me either way because I am not applying vast numbers as a foundation of my belief.

Actually PNG tribesman have higher IQ then some atheistic peasants, whose brain wiring was short circuited, though they lag behind the christian peasants and the kokomo.
Of course that is the result of darwinian evolution rather then UFO interference so nobody is to blame.

Calanen wrote on May 1^st, 2009 at 4:32pm:

Except for the fact that they can see the world doesn't end at the base of the mountain. Even remote PNG tribes and Brazillian tribes know of the existence of other tribes... they just don't care about them.

Technically speaking UFO in PNG is called Balu according to Cargo Cult.

locutius wrote on May 5^th, 2009 at 2:17pm:

Yes, although if earth is all we have to go by then maybe for life to exist beyond its most primitive forms may require a planet goldilocks-proximate to a sun of a goldilocks size... Maybe the planet also needs a core of iron to produce a magnetic field to obliterate minor asteroids and deflect lethal solar and other cosmic rays... an orbiting moon to exert a rhythm... a tilted axis to produce seasons... proximity to a small failed sun (Jupiter) and other large planets to attract and absorb asteroids... a goldilocks position for the goldiocks solar system within its galaxy that is relatively quiet asteroid-wise... Just some of the other possible cosmological chance particulars that detract from the odds of extraterrestrial life as complex as we know it to exist.

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Paul Sinclair of Yorkshire in the UK has been fascinated by UFOs for as long as he can remember but only really got involved in ufology after his first sighting. ‘It involved me and a work colleague. It was at a place called Sledmere on the East Yorkshire Wolds (hill country). It was a bright sunny day and the UFO was just hovering above some trees. What we saw was a structured object of huge size hovering above a field.’ Ever since then Paul has been regularly gazing at the skies. ‘I am the guy who sits in the darkness observing hour in hour out. I am looking for real proof.’Obviously Paul was excited when he managed to film the footage below on May 1 2009, which he believes may well be an extraterrestrial spaceship, but Paul insists his search for an alien presence in East Yorkshire is far from over.‘The Wolds UFO phenomenon is real and the dedication needed to sit on the remote Wolds during winter in freezing cold conditions is no less a task than that of a wildlife film maker.’‘I don't know of anyone else doing this in the UK, I’m not talking a once in a blue moon organised sky watch.' another UK based UFO hunter noted.'I have built up a good relationship with the local farmers in the area' Paul continued 'You would think that due to the nature of our subject that I would get a few raised brows. The plain fact is that most of them have seen the UFOs. One even told me about following what he called an actual space ship as it silently glided across the tops of trees on his land. His wife, daughter and her then boyfriend also saw it.  He told me that the next day he sat and wrote a full account of the sighting as he never wanted it to change in his mind over the years.’Paul is hardly the first person to suspect that a UFO gateway to earth might exist in the Yorkshire area and UFO activity in Yorkshire is well documented and very extensive.Many in the UFO community will admire Paul Sinclair’s dogged resilience and devotion to this important topic. Undoubtedly when disclosure on the alien issue does come about it may well be thanks to the efforts of people like Mr Sinclair.