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Re: is allah impotent?
Reply #15 - Feb 13^th, 2009 at 7:08pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 11^th, 2009 at 6:51am:

Procreation is the necessary act of limited beings, who need to carry on their generations by reproducing.

Why would the creator and sustainer of all existence, need to procreate?

This is right.

And there is nothing particularly muslim about the answer and it should not be treated as suspect just because it is uttered by a muslim. We are not talking about Zeus. God (Allah in Arabic) is the Old Testament God. And the New Testament God, not an antropomorphic god of the Pantheon.

This is an argument not worth having. Can Allah lift an unmovable object? D'oh. Just because something can be put into words does not mean it makes sense. It is like a spherical traingle.i

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: is allah impotent? Reply #16 - Feb 13^th, 2009 at 7:48pm Piss off Mozz... pretty much everybody know that. I'm surprised you didn't or were you just having another reflexive dig? Soren... don't get sucked into the diversion.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: is allah impotent? Reply #17 - Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:16pm Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 7:48pm: Soren... don't get sucked into the diversion. You can easily pull islam up for dozens of issues of actual consequence. This ain't one of them. And Abu's answer is reasonable. The rest is bear baiting.
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Reply #18 - Feb 13^th, 2009 at 10:12pm

You missed the point and I'm not doing what you seem to keep saying.

Oh dear... blinkers and skimming will do that.

His point was about the Christian belief of Christ being the son of god and of procreation being "beneath' a diety.... hence Christianity is based on a lie. Now whether you are an athiest or not, the point is... he is ignorant of the facts surrounding the belief. yet you say he is correct. Uh uh, oh no so sorry he is ignorant of the facts about the belief even though he keeps citing Catholicism as if it is Christianity in toto... they make a point of the VIRGIN BIRTH> hence no procreation involved. MY point was that a GOD of CREATION has no need for SEX to create life, SEX etc is something he and his faith use as a point to dismiss Christianity. IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT, a strawman , a lie etc, etc, etc and as such he is incorrect.

Do you get it yet?

That is the point I've been arguing. Nothing particularly anti-Islamic in that BTW. Roll Eyes

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: is allah impotent? Reply #19 - Feb 13^th, 2009 at 11:24pm Thanks Grendel, I always wondered how Santa got to every house in one night.
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Reply #20 - Feb 14^th, 2009 at 8:07am

Soren wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 9:16pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 7:48pm:

Soren... don't get sucked into the diversion. Roll Eyes

You can easily pull islam up for dozens of issues of actual consequence. This ain't one of them.
And Abu's answer is reasonable. The rest is bear baiting.

His answer implies that allah is not all-willing, which contradicts the concept of God's all-willingness and that means that his answer is not reasonable.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: is allah impotent? Reply #21 - Feb 14^th, 2009 at 8:11am mozzaok wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 11:24pm: Thanks Grendel, I always wondered how Santa got to every house in one night. It appears that Santa is more potent then alla OR/AND he is more willing to bring happiness to children then allah
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Reply #22 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 8:32pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2009 at 10:12pm:

You missed the point and I'm not doing what you seem to keep saying.

Oh dear... blinkers and skimming will do that.

His point was about the Christian belief of Christ being the son of god and of procreation being "beneath' a diety.... hence Christianity is based on a lie. Now whether you are an athiest or not, the point is... he is ignorant of the facts surrounding the belief. yet you say he is correct. Uh uh, oh no so sorry he is ignorant of the facts about the belief even though he keeps citing Catholicism as if it is Christianity in toto... they make a point of the VIRGIN BIRTH> hence no procreation involved. MY point was that a GOD of CREATION has no need for SEX to create life, SEX etc is something he and his faith use as a point to dismiss Christianity. IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT, a strawman , a lie etc, etc, etc and as such he is incorrect.

Do you get it yet?

That is the point I've been arguing. Nothing particularly anti-Islamic in that BTW. Roll Eyes

I didn't see Abu making that point on this particular thread, only the two-liner at the opening about Allah.

The Christ as procreated-through-sex-son-of-god argument, if proposed anywhere, is a stupid one from a grown up, quite possibly brought up with the full knowledge of the idiocy of the argument. The issue is really only worth discussing with intelligent children. A gown up with hangups about god AND sex is past human help.

From which thread are we diverted to this one? There seems to be an increased number of new threads that are in fact branching off from older ones.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: is allah impotent? Reply #23 - Feb 17^th, 2009 at 9:56pm This is the original and independent thread about potency or otherwise of the arab deity called allah and has nothing to do with any other religion.
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