abu_rashid wrote on Feb 15
th, 2009 at 3:35pm:
soren,
Quote:islam is almost never heard of or discussed as a religion but as a political force. And this iss because of the immigrants AND converts who enforce and reinforce its political dimentions by fatwah, demands, threats, costumes and speech.
By you and your ilk, no it isn't discussed as a religion, because you seek to deny it's very legitimacy as a religion. You're only interested in it's political aspects, as that's what suits your wishes for Islam.
That says more about your approach to Islam, than Islam's supposed lack of religiosity.
I and my ilk do not bring up the political dimentions of Buddhism or Taoism because the partisans of these relgions themselves don't. I and my ilk get extremely irritated and frustrated by islam because its partisans are always in my face about their political demands, fatwahs, burnings, bombings, exceptionalist demands and generally insufferable behavouur.
Women covering their faces in my city? How smacking
rude is that? Singling out the costume - and ignoring the bloody acts and inciting language, you manage to bring to attention your primitive belief about the subjugation and ill-treatment of half of humanity. Islam is misogynist, it is woman-phobic. It is shrivelled into violence by the sight of femele skin. How bloody life-denying. All it can say is - either cover them up or it is licencious promiscuity. How barbaric, unimaginative, how alien.
The safron robe is not a sign of merciless, swaggering oppresssion by semi- or illiterate bearded men who genuinely believe that they know the mind of god. Their bloody arrogance knows no bounds. They will kill or burn with acid to maintain the subjugation of their womenfolk. And that's
their womenfolk, muslims women - their daughters and nieces. Whaat would they do to infidel girls and women?
Quote:One never, ever, hears of taoism or buddhism from their partisans in terms of politics.
You mentioned above costumes, and now you mention Buddhism. You've never seen Buddhists walking around in 'costumes'?? I don't know where you live, but I often see Buddhist monks walking around in their saffron robes. As for politics, never visited a Chinese embassy and seen the Falun Gong protestors who *constantly* maintain a presence outside? Or the hundreds of thousands of cars driving around with "Free Tibet" stickers on them? Other religions have religious/political activities here, you're just simply not interested in them, you're only interested in the political activities of Muslims.
How utterly ridiculous and sinister. To equate car stickers and chanting on mats with fatwahs, embassy burnings, calling for death and destructon in mosques
after prayers, not to meention the sustained and purpusefull killing spree and violent intimidation by the more dedicated and bloody minded proponents of muslim orthodoxy, from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan to Britain, Madrid, Bali, Germany France, Denmark and Australia.
Quote:And if you're concerned about Muslims being politically active, can we take this as a sign, you'd prefer to stifle their political freedom? Aren't you supposed to be teaching those poor, oppressed, & politically stifled Muslims about political freedom?
Or is it as I suspect, you're actually a totalitarian in disguise as a champion of human rights and freedoms?
I want to stifle nothing. Quite the opposite. I do not want to stifled by a blatently political program that
hides behind its religiosity every time it is criticised. You are welcome to the political debate but leave your fatwahs, Rage Boys, threats, open and veiled, massacres and religious special pleading at the door. Otherwise muslims call upon themselves all the scorn, ridicule and contempt freeborn citizens of
any colour and persuasion can muster.
Quote:If it makes you feel better to belittle my choice and to try and explain it as being merely circumstantial, go ahead. People like Marmeduke Pickthall were converting to Islam well over 40 years ago, and he in fact dedicated his life to the work for the re-establishment of the Caliphate. So it's certainly nothing new nor is it merely a consequence of who happens to be migrating into Western countries at the present.
He was just looking for a way to ditch his name, Marmeduke, and who can blame him.