abu_rashid wrote on Feb 14^th, 2009 at 5:00am:


So Abu, what do you think of the Muslims calling on other Muslims to light more fires?

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What if he did it because other Muslims told him to and 'mainstream' Muslims like yourself refused to criticise them for it? What if they did it because they saw you saying how Osama bin Laden would have been a hero in other circumstances and they want you to say the same about them?

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There was widespread condemnation on here for him, from both Christians and non-Christians alike. I certainly didn't see any Christians trying to stand up for him or trying to deflect to nasty stuff other people have done. Only Islam seems to put religious tribalism ahead of justice, ahead of what is right and wrong. Furthermore unlike the Muslims, this guy was not calling upon his followers to actually light fires.

Nice deflection attempt though.

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Keep repeating it Abu. Maybe one day someone will believe you. Why are you so unable to accept that it is what Muslims like you and Malik say that makes people concerned about Islam? Why must you invent conspiracies about everyone being out to get you? You claim to understand western concepts of freedom, democracy, human rights etc. Why is it do hard to believe that westerners object to ideologies that deny people basic freedoms, human rights and democracy?

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 14^th, 2009 at 10:25pm:


You really are a nutcase and a tool!    So the Islamic run states in the middle east allow women the basic freedom of showing their hair or in some cases their face?
Get out from Osama's cave Abu and see the daylight.

Part 2
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The first is a group that it is considered
permissible to uproot or burn in the Hanbali [Muslim scholar] school
of thought, where the scholars Malik, Shafi'i, and Ibn Al-Muthir
followed the Hadith of the Prophet, PBUH, in the case of the burning
of the palm trees in Bani Nadir, where God sent down the following:
'Whether ye cut down (O ye Muslim!) the tender palm-trees, or ye left
them standing on their roots, it was by leave of Allah, and in order
that He might cover with shame the rebellious transgressors.' [KoranicVerse; Al-Hashr, 59:5]."

"This has been taken from page 486 of the book entitled 'Al-Muqn'i
Ma'a Hashiyatihi,' published by the Al-Salafiyyah [Salafist]
Publishing House in Cairo."

"Comment: The targeted forests are those that belong to those
countries that are at war with Muslims (The United States, Europe,
Russia, and Australia). Other nations, such as Brazil for example, are
off limits for anyone seeking to burn the Amazon forests, based on the
consideration that the rule and the exception to the rule do not
apply. Brazil has not joined the armies of the crusade and it has not
yet given us cause to respond in any way. God knows best."

"The damage caused by forest fires:"

"Typically these fires take months rather than days to fully
extinguish, which means that this terror will haunt them for an
extended period of time. The element of the summer months will aid in
spreading the fires due to the drop in rain levels."

"This will temporarily hamper the export of timber, used primarily in
the manufacture of furniture."

"This will also cause pharmaceutical companies to sustain losses,
since trees contain key ingredients for medicinal drugs."

"Also, it will eliminate, albeit only temporarily, the export of oils
from trees."

"Human losses:"

"Financial losses for the Tourism industry."

"[There will be] an increase in the emission of poisonous gases from
the smoke of the forest fires, and depending on the location, they
could spread to several European countries or to several US states."
"Keeping emergency and military personnel (a resource) tied up trying
to fight the fires. Some units in Iraq or in Afghanistan could even be
recalled, as happened with hurricane Katrina when it hit the United
States two years ago."

"Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist
organization were to claim responsibility for [starting] the forest
fires. You can hardly begin to imagine the level of the fear that
would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in
Russia, and in Australia. Also, as a result of the claim, a political rift
would develop between the ruling parties and the local opposition
parties in those countries. Another effect would be that the people in
those countries would lose confidence in their leaders, leading to a
shift in voting intentions to the parties in opposition. These
opposition parties might then champion the drive to withdraw their
troops from Iraq and from Afghanistan, should they get into power."
"These losses are just examples, and we cannot list them all."

"Operation method:"

"Before we describe how this operation is to be implemented, do not
assume that it is impossible. The media across Europe report forest
fires almost every year, and cause is usually just a rise in the
average temperature. However, some people, acting behind the scenes,
may have contributed to fueling the fires."

"In the video by active scholar Abu Mus'ab Al-Suri, may God set him
free, in the aforementioned link, he argues that one of the more
successful way to burn a forest is to use sulfur acid, the
substance you find in matches, to light the fires. You place the
substance in the forest for a mere half an hour and it will surely
find something to eat [burn the trees], with the grace of God."

"There are other alternative options for those who lack the experience
to use sulfur acid or other substances, with the grace of God."

"You and your friend should go out on a beautiful forest trip (which
we call 'Kishtah' in the Arabian Peninsula) and enjoy yourselves
there. Start a fire to cook your food, and when you have finished, use
those same embers to ignite the fires by collecting them against a
tree until it is completely engulfed in flames."

"You may also use some of your car fuel and spray it across several
trees, and use those embers on those trees as well."

"These are just some of the countless examples, and as active jihadist
scholar Abu Mus'ab al-Suri, may God set him free, said, terrorism is
an art."

"Go, and set forth on your jihad, and once more plant joy in the
hearts of your Muslim brothers."
"I ask that this article be translated into the English language, and
have that translation sent using the special methods used by the
Ikhlas Network."

"By: Abu Thar Al-Kuwaiti." "Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network"

http://www.ekhlaas.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68679
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abu_rashid wrote on Feb 14^th, 2009 at 11:56pm:


Is it the reason why your muslim brothers urge muslims in Australia to burn Australia?

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 14^th, 2009 at 11:56pm:


Showing hair and the face is nudity? you muslimes really are buggered in the head seriously.

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So the fact that a Christian will blame the fire on social ills indicates a fragmented religion. What then does the fact that Muslims actually call on other Muslims to start more fires say about Islam?

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Abu it is a sign of delusion when you refuse to even accept other people's statements about themselves. I criticise Islam because of what Muslims like you say, not because of what non-Muslims say. Time to face reality.

yawn...  you are so well balanced with those chips on both shoulders there aboo.