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Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Feb 25^th, 2009 at 9:27am

Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas

Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:38:27 GMT

The Turkish Prime Minister says if Israel is looking for a lasting peace in the Middle East it should recognize Palestine and Hamas.

Arguing that a two-state solution is the only way to resolve the conflict between Palestinians and Israel, Recep Tayyip Erdogan urged Israeli prime minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu to support the idea and recognize Palestine as a state.

The Turkish Premier added that in order to put the idea into action Hamas should be brought to the negotiating table as a democratically elected government.

He said Hamas should have been given such a chance when the movement won the Palestinian parliamentary elections in 2006.

"The party of change and reform won the elections. We have to support them. We have to give them a chance," Erdogan said.

Benjamin Netanyahu, known in Israel as 'Bibi', is the leader of the hawkish Likud Party.

Netanyahu, who has warned he would join all forces against the Palestinian resistance movement, was named prime minister by President Simon Peres.

He has said he would "naturally grow" the West Bank settlements if elected. "I won't evacuate settlements."

Construction of the Jewish settlements has been generally described as a serious blow to the Middle East peace process. Israel promised to halt building of settlements during the Annapolis Conference.

Israel has been criticized by its closest allies for refusing to stop settlement activities.

In his most recent criticism of the Israeli 23-day war on the Gaza Strip Erdogan said Israel had committed "crimes against humanity" in the blockaded strip.

Source: Press TV

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #1 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 10:14am

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"Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas"

Erdogan is prime minister of Turkey.

Q.
But who is Erdogan ?

What does he represent???

A.
He is yet another 'moderate' muslim!
/sarc off

"Turkey has been semi-secular for many decades.

But Turkey has recently acquired a new PM,
......who is an avowed ISLAMIST.

Will Turkey remain secular for much longer???

Who knows.

But some old quotes, attributed to Turkey's present PM are revealing.

Turkish PM Erdogan in 1990s said,
TURKEY'S CONSTITUTION "A HUGE LIE";
"ONE CANNOT BE A MUSLIM AND SECULAR"

I think that last quote clearly says it all really.

MEMRI = Middle East news service [translated to English]

May 23, 2007
Turkish PM Erdogan in Speech During Term As Istanbul Mayor Attacks Turkey's Constitution, Describing it As ‘A Huge Lie': ‘Sovereignty Belongs Unconditionally and Always To Allah'; ‘One Cannot Be a Muslim, and Secular'
http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD159607"

On Oz Pol.....

"Wafa Sultan..."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232803746/36#36

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #2 - Feb 25^th, 2009 at 7:55pm

Quote:

"Turkey has been semi-secular for many decades.

Are you for real? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? In the same universe? Or a parallel reality??

Turkey has been MILITANTLY secular for the past 80 years. Any party or politician even suspected of being remotely religious has been overthrown by the military, for most of this 80 years, even making the call to pray has been banned in Arabic (this has been lifted now thank God), wearing of hijab is BANNED in universities and government departments.

Semi-Secular??

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 9:09am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 25^th, 2009 at 7:55pm:

Quote:

"Turkey has been semi-secular for many decades.

Are you for real? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? In the same universe? Or a parallel reality??

Turkey has been MILITANTLY secular for the past 80 years. Any party or politician even suspected of being remotely religious has been overthrown by the military, for most of this 80 years, even making the call to pray has been banned in Arabic (this has been lifted now thank God), wearing of hijab is BANNED in universities and government departments.

Semi-Secular??

abu,

Don't worry.

I am confident that Recep Tayyip Erdogan will soon remedy the 'unjust' exclusion of ISLAMISTS, from Turkeys political life.

February 25, 2009
International poll: Muslims support strict Sharia, Islamic supremacism

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025017.php

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 9:26am

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I am confident that Recep Tayyip Erdogan will soon remedy the 'unjust' exclusion of ISLAMISTS, from Turkeys political life.

We can only pray.

I doubt it though, although he was once a 'radical', Erdogan is now a dedicated secularist. For all the quotes of him you can bring from his pre-imprisonment days, I can bring you 100 or more modern quotes from him that affirm his undying dedication to secularism.

No doubt you think he's a 'stealth-jihadist', but that's just indicative of your Islamophobic paranoia.

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Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:11am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 9:26am:

Quote:

I am confident that Recep Tayyip Erdogan will soon remedy the 'unjust' exclusion of ISLAMISTS, from Turkeys political life.

We can only pray.

I doubt it though, although he was once a 'radical', Erdogan is now a dedicated secularist. For all the quotes of him you can bring from his pre-imprisonment days, I can bring you 100 or more modern quotes from him that affirm his undying dedication to secularism.

No doubt you think he's a 'stealth-jihadist', but

that's just indicative of your Islamophobic paranoia.

LOL

abu,

ISLAM [in its 'holy' texts] openly calls on, encourages muslims, to kill ppl who resist the authority of ISLAM.

And you portray me [and ppl like me] as someone with a 'phobia' about ISLAM????

ROFLOL!!

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Deuteronomy 32:4
He [the God of ISRAEL] is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:22am

Yadda wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:11am:

abu,

ISLAM [in its 'holy' texts] openly calls on, encourages muslims, to kill ppl who resist the authority of ISLAM.

And you portray me
[and ppl like me] as someone with a 'phobia' about ISLAM????

higher on this thread, abu said.....

Quote:

"Are you for real? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? In the same universe? Or a parallel reality??"

LOL

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #7 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 9:49pm

Yadda, it's interesting that you quote from the book of Deuteronomy. Tell me did you ever read that book from start to finish? Or do you just pick out the pieces that suit your agenda and leave aside those pieces that don't?

"Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof?" (Qur'an 2:85)

There's some interesting 'commands' from your Lord in that book about how to conduct yourself with the neighbouring cities and nations...

Deuteronomy 20:10-18 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, [that] all the people [that is] found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, [even] all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities [which are] very far off from thee, which [are] not of the cities of these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.

So this book you're quoting, which you seem to think is good for guidance and instruction on how to conduct oneself, we find that you should go to other nations and cities, proclaim "peace" to them, and if they do not accept to live under you as tributaries, then put them to the sword, but not the women, children, cattle and EVERYTHING in the city, that what God has set aside as spoils for you. Not just that, but we see it is based upon people who believe in a different religion to you, their religions being classed as "abominations".

And when we look at the Judaeo-Christian nations in the world today, we find this is exactly how they behave to other religions, namely Islam. They come to Palestine, they come to Iraq, they come to Afghanistan, to Lebanon, to Libya, proclaim themselves to be peacemakers, and then proceed to lay waste to the cities, slaughtering the people en masse, and then carrying off all the riches for themselves. Nothing much has changed has it? It's quite obvious you are quoting the book of Deuteronomy, because you wholeheartedly believe in it. You just like to pretend you're all peaceful and benign.. nothing more evil than a snake in the grass.

"And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not." (Qur'an 2:11-12)

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #8 - Feb 26^th, 2009 at 10:25pm

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 9:26am:

Erdogan is now a dedicated secularist. For all the quotes of him you can bring from his pre-imprisonment days, I can bring you 100 or more modern quotes from him that affirm his undying dedication to secularism.

Taquiyya in action. What to believe when a muslim politician's lips are moving? The dilemma of our age in a nutshell: they have said everything and the opposite of everything. No wonder the world has a headache.
Erdogaan schmerdogan. He is dining out on his celebrated tough guy antics against Peres recently. He is milking his 15 minutes of face regognition (no small thanks to the mo.)

re: israel recognising hamas - will happen the minute hamas recognises israel's right to exist. Curious that the turk is calling on the joos to do something that he does not expect from hamas.

West Bank is an occupied territory, now by Israel. before that it was an occupied territory by jordan. it was never part of jordan. So the settlements, which would be illegal had the west bank belonged to jordan at any time, are not, in fact illegal. Settlement are only illegal if the occupied territory had previously belonged to another country. in such cases they wouldd be illegal.

So the settlement may well be unhelpful but they are definitely not illegal in international law.

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Re: Erdogan urges Israel to recognize Hamas
Reply #9 - Feb 27^th, 2009 at 11:49am

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 26^th, 2009 at 9:49pm:

Yadda, it's interesting that you quote from the book of Deuteronomy. Tell me did you ever read that book from start to finish? Or do you just pick out the pieces that suit your agenda and leave aside those pieces that don't?

"Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof?" (Qur'an 2:85)

abu,

I have made my reply here.....

"Taking 'heaven' by force???"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1235698783/0#0

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Luke 16:31

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