abu_rashid wrote on Mar 4^th, 2009 at 10:45am:



http://www.meforum.org/687/the-muslim-brotherhoods-conquest-of-europe

[1] "Homepage," Muslim Brotherhood Movement website, accessed Dec. 22, 2004.
[2] The Chicago Tribune, Sept. 19, 2004; also see Daniel Pipes, The Islamic States of America?, FrontPageMagazine.com, Sept. 23, 2004.
[3] Khalid Duran, "Jihadism in Europe," The Journal of Counterterrorism and Security International, Fall 2000, pp. 12-5.
[4] Richard Labeviere, Dollars for Terror: The U.S. and Islam (New York: Algora Publishing 2000), p. 141.
[5] Georges Lepre, "Himmler's Bosnian Division: The Waffen SS Handschar Division 1943-45," Schiffer Aviation History, Jan. 2000, pp. 31-4.
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[8] Ibid.
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[10] Faruqi, "Les Frères Musulmans," Historique du Centre Islamique.
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[12] Fouad Ajami, "Tariq Ramadan," The Wall Street Journal, Sept. 7, 2004.
[13] Labeviere, Dollars for Terror, p. 122.
[14] Official dossier on Ahmed Nasreddin (hereafter Nasreddin dossier), Servizio per le Informazioni e la Sicurezza Democratica (Italian secret service, SISDE), Apr. 6, 1996, p. 10.
[15] Ibid., p. 24.
[16] Ibid., p. 31.
[17] Newsweek, May 12, 2004.
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[19] Nasreddin dossier, p. 31.
[20] Ibid.
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[27] Nasreddin dossier, p. 31.
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[32] Kane, "Supplemental Declaration in Support of Pre-Trial Detention."
[33] The Wall Street Journal, Apr. 15, 2003.
[34] Report on el-Zayat, Aug. 27, 2003, p. 4.
[35] Duran, "Jihadism in Europe," pp. 12-5.
[36] Klaus Gruenewald, "Defending Germany's Constitution," Middle East Quarterly, Mar. 1995, p. 10.
[37] See Al-Aqsa Foundation, "Recent OFAC Reports," U.S. Department of the Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control, June 6, 2003.
[38] Nasreddin dossier, p. 9.
[39] Ibid., p. 30.
[40] Duran, "Jihadism in Europe," pp. 12-5.
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[42] Annual report of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesverfassungsschutz), 2000, Cologne, p. 174.
[43] Annual report of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesverfassungsschutz), 1999, Cologne, p. 165.
[44] Ibid.
[45] Agence France-Presse, Jan. 16, 1998.
[46] Mehmet Ülger, "Manifestatie Milli Görüş in Arnhem," De Humanist, July 2003.
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[49] Author interview with Udo Ulfkotte, Frankfurt, Feb. 2004.
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[51] "Islamismus," Landesamt fur Verfassungsschutz, Hessen.
[52] Frankfurt: Eichborn Publishing, 2003.
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[55] Anti-Semitism Worldwide 1998/9 (Tel Aviv: Stephen Roth Institute, Tel Aviv University, 2000).
[56] Ulfkotte, Der Krieg in unseren Staedten, p. 38.
[57] Annual report, Bundesverfassungsschutz, 2000, p. 174.
[58] Ulfkotte, Der Krieg in unseren Staedten, p. 164.
[59] Ibid., p. 162.
[60] Hartwig Mueller, head of the Verfassungsschutz of Nordrhein Westfahlen, interview on German television SWR, Mar. 21, 2003.
[61] Die Welt (Berlin), May 6, 2003.

The evidence..footnoted at the bottom.

For anyone who would like to know a bit more about the threat the Muslim Brotherhood poses to Western society.

Abu's praise for them makes me think he may be a member, which stands to reason given they are well active in Australia.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/135.pdf

Complete copy of Muslim Brotherhoods Stategy document for the USA, which I have quoted from before:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf

Submission to the United States Senate Committee on Homeland Affairs and Governmental Affairs, overview of the Muslim Brotherhood, by Steve Emerson:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/testimony/353.pdf

That should do for starters.

But of course, they are all fake right Abu? Including the Muslim Brotherhood's own Strategy Manual for the USA.

And how about their goal in Europe:

http://www.investigativeproject.org/173/aims-and-methods-of-europes-muslim-brotherhood

The Long March Toward Sharia in Europe

The success of organizations such as FIOE and FEMYSO is the crowning achievement of the Brothers' thirty years of hard work. The Ikhwan groups have managed to be - come part of the establishment, finding a small niche in the corridors of European power. The Brothers view this triumph as a mere starting point, however. Having gained the trust of large segments of both Europe's elites and its Muslim communities, the Brothers want to use their newly acquired power to create the "Muslim ghetto" envisioned by Qaradawi. An extensive network of mosques and educational facilities already exists; the next step toward the creation of what Reuven Paz refers to as "non-territorial Islamic states in Europe" is the implementation of Islamic law for Europe's Muslim population. [56]

An article in a 2002 issue of Al Islam, the official publication of the European Brotherhood's historic Islamic Center of Munich, openly states that "In the long run, Muslims cannot be satisfied with the acceptance of German family, estate, and trial law… Muslims should aim at an agreement between the Muslims and the German state with the goal of a separate jurisdiction for Muslims." [57] The Brothers fully understand that the implementation of sharia in Europe is a very difficult task that currently seems quite far-fetched. But patience and long-term vision are two of the movement's strongest assets, and the Brothers are working to reap their fruits "in the long run." For now, the Ikhwan is generally refraining from officially asking for the implementation of sharia, despite hints that make its ultimate aim quite apparent. The Brothers have begun, for example, to create an Islamic legal framework that lays the foundation for imposing sharia in the West.

jordan484 wrote on Mar 4^th, 2009 at 11:54am:


It's a bit more than that.

There is a divine command to destroy everything else that is not Islamic. The whole system of Islam, is designed to gear society up for warfare against the unbeleivers through jihad. That's all it does.

And we are kidding ourselves, massively, if we think otherwise. The evidence is overwhelming, every single day on the news. But we don't want to believe it.

Another fantastic piece of evidence, Attachment A to the indictmetn filed in the Holy Land Founation trial:

http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/HLF/US_v_HLF_Unindicted_Coconspirato...

Lists a number of Muslim Brotherhood members as unindicted co-conspirators with the defendants. Who were found guilty I might add.

Here is the Muslim Brotherhood's Implementation Manual for 1991-1992:

http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/Manual9192GroupsPlan-tr...

Very very detailed plans. Shows that they are very well organised.

http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/PA_WhoisFundingHamas.pd...

Palestinian Authority showing that Hamas gets 10% of its budget from US entities, including 'Mecca Investments' and the Islamic Youth Union, see page 5. I think Hamas should adopt a "Name a Rocket' program, so you can donate some money to have your very own named rocket fired into Sderot. Would work a treat I think. Abu Rashid would like his own rocket - you know you would Abu!

1993 Philadelphia Conference - Muslim Brotherhood, Holy Land Foundation and others meet to talk about the grand jihad. And one of them is heard on tape, talking about how they should appear more moderate to deceive the infidels:


Ahmad then bemoans the difficulty of appeasing both American and Muslim audiences. He comments, "if you want to [talk to] the Americans, you lose the Muslims. If you address the Muslims, it means that you cannot reveal your address to the Americans. Frankly speaking." Providing an example, he says, "Like when you're talking opposition to peace...people are telling us that we have become peace-loving, for instance...But, one could interpret peace-loving that we have surrendered and another would interpret it that we...use diplomatic terms...if someone asked you if you want to destroy Israel, what are you going to say on TV?" He tells the group, "if you give an inconclusive response which is like you didn't answer the question, someone will come to you and tell you that you have forsaken your principles."

Turning his attention back to the possibility of forming new organizations, Ahmad points out that "we don't really have available people whom we could dedicate for the work we want to hide."

After discussion about whether the organizations "should drop our Islamic identity or keep it," Shukri Abu Baker tells his colleagues, "War is deception. Deceive, camouflage. Pretend that you're leaving while you're walking that way...Deceive your enemy." Omar Ahmad chimes in, "This is like one who plays basketball; he makes a player believe that he is doing this while he does something else...I agree with you. Like they say, politics is a completion of war."


http://nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/HLF/93Philly_6.pdf

This is what Islam is - deception to enable war to be brought against the infidel societies and institutions. Attempt to deceive the West that they are moderate to lull us into a false sense of security to better attack. Do not be deceived.

Still no hard evidence I see.

Just claims so and so said this on a tape at a conference 10 years ago etc.

Even the claims you've made there, what is wrong with saying that adopting peace means either surrendering to the oppressors? or adopting a different concept of peace??  This is exactly what the West mean when they dictate how Muslims should view the invasions of their lands. "Surrender everything to us, and embrace our 'peace' so that we can distribute your resources the way we see fit". Should Palestinians embrace "peace"?? When they've been occupied, attacked, made refugees for well over 60 years now?? Where is the peace for them?

The ironic thing is Calanen, all your conspiracy theories and claims about Muslims are in fact 100% true about the way the West deals with the Muslims. The West has invaded so many Muslim lands, arms and funds and gives diplomatic support to the most treacherous child killing dogs on the face of the earth, rapes and pillages our lands for her "Energy security" and then we have dropkicks like you claiming "But Islam is the violent, take over the world, ideology that we all have to be weary of"....

Don't you think it wears a bit thin when the reality speaks for itself in the opposite direction to what you're peddling?