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Reply #30 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 12:56pm
 
An excellent appraisal, and clear explanation, of how those 'enveloped' within moslem communities, are supporting the ISLAMIC Jihad - i.e. the moslems 'struggle' to impose ISLAMIC rule upon their host societies.

It is certain, that even 'moderate' moslems living in the West, possibly inadvertently, are assisting devout [radical] moslems to undermine the 'Kufar' societies which they [the 'moderate' moslems] claim to prefer to live in.

Do the 'moderate' moslems living in the West realise that their complicity, in promoting ISLAMIC ideals and values, and in promoting some measure of Sharia authority, in their host communities, is helping the radical Jihadists move closer to their goals?

Because, these 'moderate' moslems are complicit, in aiding the empowerment of a wicked tyranny, which many of them [may] claim to disavow.




source link supplied by soren, in a previous post in this thread,

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100013852/isnt-a-march-for-sharia-in-lo...


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Jihad is a religous duty for all Muslims.
Jihad is the only duty that is communal, rather than individual.
Islamic doctrine identifies many different types of Jihad, it’s not just terrorism.
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The duty of moderate Muslims
is to build up the institutions of Islam–Islamic cultural, financial, shops, mosques, commercial distribution networks, halal industry, etc.
This is jihad by the pen, tongue, hand, and heart.
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The duty of extremist Muslims
is to tear down the institutions
of the kuffar–by first attacking the infrastructure of the State to make it disfunctional–public transport, police, fire, and ambulance.
When State services break down and chaos is widespread, they’ve succeeded.
This is jihad by the sword (terrorism).
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Moderate and extremist jihadists work together in a pincer movement, to replace kuffar civilisation with Islamic civilisation.
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This same record has been played
over and over and over,
in many many countries over 1400 years.
Many different musicians have recorded the song,
but no matter how many times you play the record,
it’s always the same song with the same ending–Islamic culture replaces the indigenous culture.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: How Islam will Take Over UK - Anjem Choudary
Reply #31 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 3:58pm
 
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I'd like to see what would happen if the British ambassadors to Araby and Egypt expressed their sincere desire for the king and the prez to convert to the Anglican faith and rallied all the expats to march down the streets of Cairo and Mecca with plackards to press home the point.


Those countries don't claim to have freedom of religion though, Britain does. Secular societies will be judged by their supposedly secular ideals, will they not? Why claim to be something, when in reality you're not??? You don't mind claiming all the prizes for being the most enlightened and secular and advanced society, yet when it comes to actually living up to it "oh no no no, look at what those Muslims do in their countries".

Be consistent, OR be considered a self-confessed hypocrite.
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Reply #32 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 4:13pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 3:58pm:
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I'd like to see what would happen if the British ambassadors to Araby and Egypt expressed their sincere desire for the king and the prez to convert to the Anglican faith and rallied all the expats to march down the streets of Cairo and Mecca with plackards to press home the point.


Those countries don't claim to have freedom of religion though, Britain does. Secular societies will be judged by their supposedly secular ideals, will they not?
Why claim to be something, when in reality you're not???
You don't mind claiming all the prizes for being the most enlightened and secular and advanced society, yet when it comes to actually living up to it "oh no no no, look at what those Muslims do in their countries".

Be consistent, OR be considered a self-confessed hypocrite.





That's rich!

"ISLAM is peace, ISLAM is tolerant."




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: How Islam will Take Over UK - Anjem Choudary
Reply #33 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 4:48pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 3:58pm:
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I'd like to see what would happen if the British ambassadors to Araby and Egypt expressed their sincere desire for the king and the prez to convert to the Anglican faith and rallied all the expats to march down the streets of Cairo and Mecca with plackards to press home the point.


Those countries don't claim to have freedom of religion though, Britain does. Secular societies will be judged by their supposedly secular ideals, will they not? Why claim to be something, when in reality you're not??? You don't mind claiming all the prizes for being the most enlightened and secular and advanced society, yet when it comes to actually living up to it "oh no no no, look at what those Muslims do in their countries".

Be consistent, OR be considered a self-confessed hypocrite.



Secular societies - you got that. How come you do not get its meaning?

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Reply #34 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 6:37pm
 
soren,

in what way are you suggesting I don't get it?

Your whole argument against his statements seems to rest upon the idea that he shouldn't be allowed to wish for a certain Christian to become Muslim.... As far as I understand secular Western principles, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that... end of story.
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Reply #35 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 7:25pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 6:37pm:
soren,

in what way are you suggesting I don't get it?

Your whole argument against his statements seems to rest upon the idea that he shouldn't be allowed to wish for a certain Christian to become Muslim.... As far as I understand secular Western principles, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that... end of story.



You claim the right for muslims but riot if non-muslims also claim their rights - in their own countries, viz. Denmark, France, Australia, and so on and so forth.

You want to exploit the genrosity of secular society in order to strangle that secular society and replace it with sharia. Bearded pinheads can march all their like as long as they shut up when somebody draws a cartoon of Mohammed or cocks a critical eye at the Islamic treatment of women, like van Gogh, or offers an honest appraisal of the Koran and Mohammed. You (Muslim) actually try to cover your riotous arses by claiming the protection of the freedoms you are hell-bent on destrotying in the name of Islam.

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 16th, 2009 at 2:06pm:
Ideas are welcome in the Islamic forum, so long as you present them within the guidelines.





The reciprocity - that if you want to claim the freedom you cannot riot if others also claim it - that is the bit that you do not accept and pretend not to understand.




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Reply #36 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 11:02pm
 
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You claim the right for muslims but riot if non-muslims also claim their rights


I have never rioted in my life, sorry.

If people (of any religion) riot, then they will be dealt with by the law. Simple as that. Laying blame on an entire religion, just because some of it's members rioted is just ridiculous. Can I rightfully lay the blame on you for all the atrocities committed against Muslims? Even though you've clearly showed support for them here, I don't take it as a given that you should wear the blame.

If some Christians or Jews commit illegal acts, should their entire religion likewise expect to forfeit their rights collectively?

We both know your take on that. From the outset, you view Muslims as foreign and Jews/Christians as "native", therefore if Jews or Christians behave badly (yes they often do, and in the name of their faith/community also) then the individual(s) in your mind are merely criminals and should be punished. Yet if a Muslim does something, then it's "deport them all, herd them into concentration camps!!" You have the disturbing mentality of a fascist.

If a Jew spies on a Western country for Israel, he's a naughty man (his religious/national allegiances would not even be mentioned in most cases), put him on trial and send him to prison, Israel will probably negotiate his release later and decorate him as a hero, but for now we'll treat him as an ordinary crim... Yet if a Muslim even had slight allegiances to another country "Deport them all!!! they're spies!!! a fifth column come to take us over!!!".

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Bearded pinheads can march all their like as long as they shut up when somebody draws a cartoon of Mohammed or cocks a critical eye at the Islamic treatment of women...


Shut up? What happened to freedom of speech??

Again, rioters or violent people are criminals and will be dealt with by the law. Don't try, yet again, to entangle and confuse the issues.

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The reciprocity - that if you want to claim the freedom you cannot riot if others also claim it - that is the bit that you do not accept and pretend not to understand.


When you find me participating in a riot, you can make this claim. Until then you are merely engaging in verbal communication from your rectum.
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Reply #37 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 9:12pm
 
NHS relax superbug safeguards for Muslim staff... just days after Christian nurse is banned from wearing crucifix for health and safety reasons

From The Mail on Sunday

Muslim doctors and nurses are to be allowed for religious reasons to opt out of strict NHS dress codes introduced to prevent the spread of deadly hospital superbugs. The Department of Health has announced that female Muslim staff will be permitted to cover their arms on hospital wards to preserve their modesty.
This is despite earlier guidance that all staff should be ‘bare below the elbow’ after long sleeves were blamed for spreading bacteria, leading to superbug deaths. The Department has also relaxed its ‘no jewellery’ rule by making it clear that Sikhs can wear bangles, as long as they can be pushed up the arm during direct patient care.

The move contrasts with the case of nurse Shirley Chaplin, who last week lost her discrimination battle against Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital Trust, which said the cross she has worn since she was 16 was a ‘hazard’ because it could scratch patients. Mrs Chaplin, 55, had worn the silver cross on a necklace since her confirmation. But the employment tribunal told her that wearing a cross was not a ‘mandatory requirement’ of her faith, even though Muslim doctors are allowed to wear hijabs or headscarves.
Last night she said of the sleeve concession to Muslims: ‘I don’t believe my cross is a danger so this is double standards. What can you say? It seems that life is stacked up against Christians these days.’

Politicians and Christian leaders, including former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey, added that it showed the Government was prepared to accommodate minority faiths while Christianity was marginalised.  Lord Carey said of grandmother Mrs Chaplin: ‘The Muslim voice is very strong, so politicians and others are scared of it. We can only deduce that the hostility aimed at her is because she is a Christian.’



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Re: How Islam will Take Over UK - Anjem Choudary
Reply #38 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 11:58am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
Until then you are merely engaging in verbal communication from your rectum.

Why are you always bringing up the arse? Are you a closet homosexual? Why are you so obsessed with the rectum and anus?
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Reply #39 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 12:02pm
 
It's a metaphor that someone who is lying is speaking out of... nevermind.
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Reply #40 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 12:06pm
 
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NHS relax superbug safeguards for Muslim staff... just days after Christian nurse is banned from wearing crucifix for health and safety reasons


I really don't get this. Isn't covering better for hygiene?? If not, then we'd expect to see surgeons performing operations starkers wouldn't we?

I'm sure if they decided all doctors should walk around topless, that female Christian doctors wouldn't be too happy about being forced to uncover their nakedness. So why is it so bizarre that female Muslim doctors don't like it?

About all we can gather from this beat-up is that the Islamic concept of nakedness is a little more modest than the Christian one, and not much else.

I'm sure they're not doing it to cater to the whims of Muslims. They want Muslim female staff, because it helps their image and it helps them to access more patients.
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Reply #41 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 11:35pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Apr 12th, 2010 at 12:06pm:
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NHS relax superbug safeguards for Muslim staff... just days after Christian nurse is banned from wearing crucifix for health and safety reasons


I really don't get this. Isn't covering better for hygiene?? If not, then we'd expect to see surgeons performing operations starkers wouldn't we?

I'm sure if they decided all doctors should walk around topless, that female Christian doctors wouldn't be too happy about being forced to uncover their nakedness. So why is it so bizarre that female Muslim doctors don't like it?

About all we can gather from this beat-up is that the Islamic concept of nakedness is a little more modest than the Christian one, and not much else.

I'm sure they're not doing it to cater to the whims of Muslims. They want Muslim female staff, because it helps their image and it helps them to access more patients.



You a billion sexual fantasist. It's always about either complete covering (Muslim, good) or nakedness (Western, bad). You always come up with toplessness as th only possible altrantive to Msulim dress. You must be a tit man.

Here's news: they want hospital staff to be clean and not to have sleeves and cuffs in the way constantly. Or do Muslim women wash their sleeves up to the elbow every time they wash their hands? The sleeves and cuffs come into contact with all sorts of things, not only in a hospital but everywhere. Have you ever worn a white long sleeve shirt for a day? Have you seen the inside of the cuffs at the end of the day?

The NHS gave in here purely because of your religion. The lady killed by that gokart also died purely because the operators gave in to her religion.

I wonder what's going to happen when th firts patient refuses treatment from a muslim in long sleeves? Will the patient's right to his perception of what is clean trump your perception?



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Reply #42 - Jul 5th, 2010 at 9:46pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 3:58pm:
Those countries don't claim to have freedom of religion though, Britain does. Secular societies will be judged by their supposedly secular ideals, will they not? Why claim to be something, when in reality you're not??? You don't mind claiming all the prizes for being the most enlightened and secular and advanced society, yet when it comes to actually living up to it "oh no no no, look at what those Muslims do in their countries".
Be consistent, OR be considered a self-confessed hypocrite.



Look at what those Muslims do in our countries:


Most terrorism in Britain is homegrown, according to the most comprehensive survey of those convicted of offences over the last 10 years.  The Centre for Social Cohesion has compiled profiles of 124 individuals convicted of Islamic terrorism offences since 1999. It found that 69 per cent of offences were perpetrated by individuals holding British nationality.
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The survey found those of Pakistani origin and Bangladeshi origin were most likely to be associated with proscribed organisations.

Just under half (48 per cent) of offences were committed by those living in London, largely in the North East of the city, and outside London the next most common regions were the West Midlands (13 per cent) and Yorkshire (9 per cent).

Nearly a third (31 per cent) had attended university and 10 per cent were still students when they were arrested.

However 35 per cent were unemployed and living on benefits.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7871139/Terrorism-in-...

Your tax pound/dollars at, well, not work exactly. For AUstralian references, see the Flamin' Melbourne Jihadists led by that giant intellect, Benbrinka the Hirsute and all the others, hairy to a man.







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Reply #43 - Jul 5th, 2010 at 10:12pm
 
I wonder what the average IQ is of Mohammedians in Europe. Probably not very high.
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Reply #44 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 8:22am
 

soren - so 1/3 of the terrorists are uni educated ?

ppppzzzzzzzztttttt - there goes the idea islamic terrorist is for the uneducated muslims.

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