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Mar 13th, 2009 at 7:06am
 
The bizarre ideas that could help the world
Deborah Smith

March 13, 2009

THEY sound like science fiction: a massive sunshade in space to cool the planet, an artificial tree in every garden to scrub carbon dioxide out of the air, and giant tubes in the ocean to bring cold water to the surface.

Grandiose schemes to try to repair the earth's climate and delay catastrophic warming continue to proliferate almost as quickly as coal-fired power stations. Until recently most scientists distanced themselves from these controversial proposals, pointing out that none had been tested and it was human interference which caused the problems in the first place.

But in a recent change of tack, some researchers now argue these diverse plans should be scientifically evaluated as soon as possible, in case emissions are not reduced quickly enough.

Philip Boyd, of the Centre for Chemical and Physical Oceanography at the University of Otago in New Zealand, said most schemes have been proposed by individuals and companies, and some have been overhyped, so objective evaluation is required. "An assessment of all the well-established proposals is urgently needed."

The University of Adelaide's professor of climate change, Barry Brook, said that soot and smog from cars and coal burning are cooling the planet, but when these are reduced, warming already "in the pipeline" will quickly become apparent.

"So it's emergency mode, and all options must be evaluated as a priority, including deliberate climate engineering."

Dr Boyd said geo-engineering schemes should first be ranked on factors including cost, risks and how quickly they might work. Those that cannot deliver big benefits fast enough, within a few decades, should be knocked out of consideration. "We need to weed out the wacky ones."

Rigorous examination could then be done on a few of the most promising options, but this would take time, because they couldn't all be tested at once. "We wouldn't know which one was benefiting the planet."

This would lead to a "climate change toolbox" of one or two reliable plans, said Dr Boyd, who outlined his proposals in the journal Nature Geoscience.

He dismissed the argument that treating geo-engineering projects seriously provides an excuse for governments not to slash emissions. "They represent a last-ditch attempt to do something."

A sober appraisal revealing the extreme risks, very high costs, and unlikely success of geo-engineering could inspire a redoubling of efforts to reduce emissions, he said.

Schemes fall into two categories: removing carbon dioxide from the air, or reflecting radiation from the sun back into space.

British researchers, led by Tim Lenton of the University of East Anglia, recently completed a study comparing the potential effectiveness of a range of proposals.

It showed that some, such as planting vast forests and turning agricultural waste into charcoal to bury, could help.

"But geo-engineering alone cannot solve the climate problem," said Professor Lenton, whose research is published in the journal Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics Discussions.

He dismissed as "globally ineffective" an ocean cooling scheme proposed by Professor James Lovelock to place long tubes below the ocean surface to draw up cold water.

Creating a giant sunshade by launching trillions of transparent discs into space has been proposed by Roger Angel of the University of Arizona.

Professor Lenton found that this and other barrier approaches, such as injecting sulphur particles into the upper atmosphere or spraying seawater into clouds by using a fleet of Flettner vessels to make them more reflective, have the greatest potential to cool the planet by 2010.

But they are also the most risky, because warming would be extremely rapid if their deployment was suddenly stopped.

The second-most effective idea after sunshades was found to be the chemical absorption of carbon dioxide from the air, for example, with artificial trees like those proposed by Dr Klaus Lackner of Columbia University in New York.

The gas would still have to be disposed of, and one idea is to pump it into greenhouses to be absorbed by crops.

The Greek islands scheme of painting urban areas white to increase reflectivity "could reduce urban heat islands but will have minimal global effect", he concluded.

Dr Boyd said the effectiveness of fertilising the ocean with iron was probably less than a third of that initially claimed, and "its mitigation timescale of millennia is not useful".

It could also have costly side effects, such as reducing productivity in other areas of the ocean
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Reply #1 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 9:07am
 
Ha ha ha, I read that story this morning, why did you post it boof? I thought you didn't believe in climate change.
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Reply #2 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 9:09am
 
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Ha ha ha, I read that story this morning, why did you post it boof? I thought you didn't believe in climate change.

Whaddya saying? He's looking for love in all the wrong places?  Grin
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Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 10:32am
 
whoosh eh Skippy...

I believe in climate change skip, like most things you just don't get it.
I don't know for a certainty that it is due to us though.  Or how much is due to us.

When you get the point, let me know.
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Reply #4 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 10:46am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 13th, 2009 at 10:32am:
whoosh eh Skippy...

I believe in climate change skip, like most things you just don't get it.
I don't know for a certainty that it is due to us though.  Or how much is due to us.

When you get the point, let me know.

I've got the point boofy, it dosn't really matter if its due to us or not, what matters is if we act upon it or bury our heads in the sand and say its not our fault so we're going to do nothing about it.
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Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 10:59am
 
I think they are merely investigating 'fallback' options, if worst case scenarios start to emerge, sooner than anticipated.

While most agree that these schemes are very far fetched, it would be wrong, to rule out anything, out of hand, unless it is for the reason of being 'bad science'.

The manipulation of the atmosphere, seems the most viable option, in that it could be sufficiently effective, to have the degree of impact needed to counter sever warming trends, so we need to keep an open mind on the subject, because we are learning more every day, and our predictions will also change as the data grows.
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Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 11:17am
 

What if there is a massive push for peo-le all over the globe to plant veges and fruit trees ???
Or even nonfruiting trees ???
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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 2:00pm
 
Every option will need a fallback option as well, cant have them contributing to the next Ice Age now can we,

No you don't get it Skip, BTW
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Reply #8 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 3:22pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 13th, 2009 at 2:00pm:
Every option will need a fallback option as well, cant have them contributing to the next Ice Age now can we,

No you don't get it Skip, BTW


Oh thanks boofster, I always depend on you to tell me how to think, I mean you have so much wisdom I dont know how anybody thinks without your advice.  Wink
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Reply #9 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 3:41pm
 
oh dear...  apoplexy stopping you from comprehending even simple stuff now?

I said you don't get/understand what I think doofus.
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Reply #10 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 3:48pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 13th, 2009 at 3:41pm:
oh dear...  apoplexy stopping you from comprehending even simple stuff now?

I said you don't get/understand what I think doofus.

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Reply #11 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 7:19pm
 
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We don't need to repair Earth's climate! The effects of global warming are unrealistic. The main probably (and this really isn't a problem) is that the abuse of coal has depleted our ozone layer because all the carbon dioxide is breaking down the hydogen particles that serve as a protective lawyer over our atmosphere filtering the sun's ultraviolet rays..

However, our sky will never be completely destroyed. And obviously once we run out of coal we won't be able to abuse it anymore anyway. However, this does mean that there will be some uninhabitale places or atleast worse conditions as these holes remain there nearly indefinitely because the balance is very delicate and we altered that, and we're going to have to live with those consequinces no matter what we do!

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Even if there was a chance that our entire ozone layer could be deleted.. the ozone layer is composed of hydrogen, so what do we do? We go where there's alot of hydrogen to protect us from the UV rays.. where's that? The mother smacking ocean!

Once we go into the mother smacking ocean. We can rebuild cities. Albeit this will cause a monopoly on the oxygen industry to make livable conditions possible. And I don't know the full effects of how when the tides turn how this would effect our humble under the sea cities...

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But it's worth a try... I will have my Rapture!
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