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Reply #15 - Apr 6^th, 2009 at 12:25pm

I just read that he had "surrendered". As far as investigation and crime solving - yes that has diminished dramatically and now the NSW force is going to be even more sparse as they waste precious resources guarding Rees, Kelly & Co. on a perceived retribution threat.

THE homes of Premier Nathan Rees and some of his senior ministers are under 24-hour armed police guard over fears of payback from outlaw bikie gangs.

Within hours of passing laws last Friday giving the courts the power to declare the gangs illegal, police orders were issued to assign extra officers to watch over Mr Rees and Police Minister Tony Kelly.

It is understood the same offer of protection was made to Attorney-General John Hatzistergos.

In-depth coverage: Inside the bikie violence

Police sources, claiming they were already stretched for numbers, have confirmed extra resources had been redeployed from the security management unit to monitor several politicians' homes around the clock.

"They are on static watch until further notice," one source said.

"It is based on a perceived threat, as far as we know."

The protection order came into force after the new anti-bikie legislation was officially passed by Parliament and signed into law by the Governor.

Gallery: Sydney's bikie gang wars

Government sources said the level of protection was unprecedented for a Premier.

It could not be confirmed whether any direct threats had been made to the Premier or any of his ministers or whether it was a precautionary measure.

A spokesman for Mr Rees said the office would not comment on the additional security arrangements.

But The Daily Telegraph has confirmed at least four uniformed and armed special constables have been assigned to Mr Rees' home on a 24-hour rotating watch as of Friday night.

A marked police car was also seen making regular patrols of his street and neighbouring areas on Saturday morning, while two police officers were observed on the street along with a member of a private security firm.

Sources revealed Mr Kelly has also increased his security arrangements.

The extra security is in addition to the standard personal security measures.

Security sources expressed concern they had been forced to redeploy resources from elsewhere to cover the MPs, leaving "asset protection" on skeleton watch.

"This is a knee-jerk reaction," a senior source said.

"It's the public that are at real risk. We could have done with this extra security at the airport two weeks ago."

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Reply #17 - Apr 6^th, 2009 at 1:20pm

It seems that not only NSW but ACT as well need Mad Max.

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Both the Prime Minister's office and Australian Federal Police have refused to comment on a reported security breach by bikies at The Lodge late last year.

A group of four men with tattoos, ''dressed like bikies'' spent about an hour at The Lodge last year under the premise of performing maintenance work, according to a report on ABC TV.

The report suggested that the men were unsupervised for some of their time at the Prime Minister's residence.

It is not clear whether any maintenance work was requested or performed.

The Canberra Times understands police and the Prime Minister's office will focus on the accreditation process for gaining access to The Lodge.

The Prime Minister's office refused to comment on whether a security review would take place in the wake of the report.

The men were believed to be carrying documentation from the Prime Minister's office clearing them to enter the high-security area. There is no indication of whether any members of the Rudd family were residing at The Lodge at the time of the incident.

Spokeswomen for both the Prime Minister's office and AFP said neither would comment on the security of the Prime Minister or his family.

Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop said the issue raised serious concerns.

It would need to be established very quickly whether or not the men had a legitimate purpose for being at The Lodge and, if not, what their motive was for being there, she said.

''Not only is The Lodge the home of the prime minister and his family but it also hosts many international leaders and guests at high levels around the world so it does have, potentially, international significance,'' she said.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/no-word-on-bikie-breach-at-lodge/1479082.aspx

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: bikies dislike lebanese gangs Reply #19 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am safe base charlie Quote: MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries. May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.
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Reply #20 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 1:11pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 3:03pm:

Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!!
Entirely correct though.

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..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said.

In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard.

"It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said.

The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said.

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They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said.

This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations.........

http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-o...

Ah poor Anglos they even can't be successful criminals any more.
Bloody competition.

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Reply #21 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 3:01pm

athos wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 1:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 3:03pm:

Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!!
Entirely correct though.

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..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said.

In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard.

"It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said.

The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said.

"

They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said.

This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations.........

http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-o...

Ah poor Anglos they can be even successful criminals any more.
Bloody competition.

Actually Zervas sounds like a Greek not an English Surname. Muslims had Greeks bend over for quiet a while in where they all came from.

As for crime ... wogs were always more successful in it then anglos as you know mafia and lebos organised creams came from Mediterranean region.

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Reply #22 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:45pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

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MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries.

May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble.

Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows.

With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked.

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Reply #23 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:48pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 3:01pm:

athos wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 1:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 3:03pm:

Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!!
Entirely correct though.

Quote:

..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said.

In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard.

"It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said.

The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said.

"

They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said.

This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations.........

http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-o...

Ah poor Anglos they can be even successful criminals any more.
Bloody competition.

Actually Zervas sounds like a Greek not an English Surname. Muslims had Greeks bend over for quiet a while in where they all came from.

As for crime ... wogs were always more successful in it then anglos as you know mafia and lebos organised creams came from Mediterranean region.

That’s right wogs came here as convicts, you can’t disregard genetic predisposition.

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Reply #24 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:53pm

Calanen wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:45pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

safe base charlie

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MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries.

May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble.

Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows.

With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked.

There can be other indicators e.g. increase of usage of military hardware on Australian streets or decrease of bikies activities depending who won.

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Reply #25 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:54pm

athos wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:48pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 3:01pm:

athos wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 1:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2009 at 3:03pm:

Pretty bad when the bikies call someone "Out of control" and radical !!!!!!!
Entirely correct though.

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..........He was returning from an anniversary party in Melbourne with a fellow Hells Angel and his brother when they were "set upon" by members of the rival club, the source said.

In the ensuing violence, the 29-year-old brother - who was not a Hells Angel member - was killed after he was bashed repeatedly on the head with a metal bollard.

"It was a social thing, an anniversary in Melbourne ... it may have been a membership anniversary for one of the [Hells Angels] members in Melbourne," the source said.

The incident bolstered opinion in the bikie community that the Comanchero and Notorious were "rogue groups" that were not viewed as genuine outlaw motorcycle groups, he said.

"

They are out of control. They have a very strong Lebanese presence. They have a very strong leaning towards a much more radical approach," he said.

This "radical approach" was upsetting other clubs as the Government considers tougher legislation against bikie clubs that would allow them to be declared outlaw organisations.........

http://www.theage.com.au/national/behind-sydneys-bikie-bloodshed-two-gangs-out-o...

Ah poor Anglos they can be even successful criminals any more.
Bloody competition.

Actually Zervas sounds like a Greek not an English Surname. Muslims had Greeks bend over for quiet a while in where they all came from.

As for crime ... wogs were always more successful in it then anglos as you know mafia and lebos organised creams came from Mediterranean region.

That’s right wogs came here as convicts, you can’t disregard genetic predisposition.

What? All them nice wogs??? Shocked

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Reply #26 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 5:14pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

safe base charlie

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MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries.

May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

Deeply, darkly ironic...and maybe deserved... While we're all watching the Islamists, out of the dust at our backs, its others who really turned it on.

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Reply #27 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 10:24pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:53pm:

Calanen wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:45pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

safe base charlie

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MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries.

May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble.

Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows.

With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked.

There can be other indicators e.g. increase of usage of military hardware on Australian streets or decrease of bikies activities depending who won.

Unless you are there, to watch it, security notices issued by the Attorney General make things disappear. Even a shoot out with automatic weapons in a public street, if a notice is issued, cannot be published, cannot be spoken of, under penalty of 5 years imprisonment. Those who are identified are given orders to sign indicating that they will not disclose what occurred under pain of imprisonment.

So if it happened, unlikely you'd ever know. It would have to happen at an event covered by the international media and be broadcast faster than they could issue the notices and cover it up.

You'd be surprised how often the regular media complies with a polite 'request' not to publish or discuss. They are reliant on government sources for access after all. If that is not enough, the AG can direct them to shut up.

As for military hardware, there is plenty of it around - soviet stuff. AK47s seem to be the thing. They don't need to break into the armoury to get it. I imagine that the recent safe base charlie alert was triggered by overheard 'chatter' in wiretaps where someone has said 'Lets break into the army base.'

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Reply #28 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 8:38am

Calanen wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 10:24pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:53pm:

Calanen wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 4:45pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

safe base charlie

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MILITARY facilities are in lockdown across southwest Sydney over fears bikie gangs may try to break in to weapons armouries.

May be they should lay a trap and whack the whackos who get into it? It would be a good practical urban operation exercise for infantry.

That would require far more competence than any of our agencies have or could ever assemble.

Perhaps, expect the bikies to do something like break into a defence depot in Melbourne or Canberra now they have locked the Sydney ones down. As much as the bikies are bad however, invading an army base seems a bit over the top, even for them. Also, even if they do break in, we wont hear about it. They will issue security notices to prevent publication in the interest of 'national security.', which is wheeled out whenever anything embarassing happens. Its only when the press finds out before the govt does that the public knows.

With an invasion on an army base, the govt will find out first, and lock down the info with directions from the Attorney General on national security grounds. So we might find out about in 20 years or so, unless its leaked.

There can be other indicators e.g. increase of usage of military hardware on Australian streets or decrease of bikies activities depending who won.

Unless you are there, to watch it, security notices issued by the Attorney General make things disappear. Even a shoot out with automatic weapons in a public street, if a notice is issued, cannot be published, cannot be spoken of, under penalty of 5 years imprisonment. Those who are identified are given orders to sign indicating that they will not disclose what occurred under pain of imprisonment.

So if it happened, unlikely you'd ever know. It would have to happen at an event covered by the international media and be broadcast faster than they could issue the notices and cover it up.

You'd be surprised how often the regular media complies with a polite 'request' not to publish or discuss. They are reliant on government sources for access after all. If that is not enough, the AG can direct them to shut up.

As for military hardware, there is plenty of it around - soviet stuff. AK47s seem to be the thing. They don't need to break into the armoury to get it. I imagine that the recent safe base charlie alert was triggered by overheard 'chatter' in wiretaps where someone has said 'Lets break into the army base.'

That is like with black holes, you can't see them, in fact you can't see nothing at all in there and that's why you know that it is a black hole. Anyone with even little experience in system analysis would be able to "divine" such happenings while the internet is a great for dissemination of such information.

Meantime we have casanostra coming.

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A FORMER top NSW crime fighter has warned that a mafia-type commission set up by bikie clubs to settle disputes could make them more powerful and much more difficult to prosecute.

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That is like with black holes, you can't see them, in fact you can't see nothing at all in there and that's why you know that it is a black hole. Anyone with even little experience in system analysis would be able to "divine" such happenings while the internet is a great for dissemination of such information.

Wikilieaks has done a good job and the current Defence Minister will rue the day he tried to embarass his staff over the SAS pay bungle, and they leaked the report over the Helen Lieu incident. Very odd though that our Defence Minister rents an apartment and gets all expenses paid trips from some person associated with high connections in China.

That said, the Lieus are wheeler dealers, and nice people. You cant do business in China without having Communist party connections. I'd seriously doubt that she was a spy it's too obvious. Im sure the Lieus like being friends with the Defence Minister, but's as far as it goes. Very embarassing for the Minister however.

The Minister has cracked down hard on the people in the Defence Intelligence Organisation, and made everyone swear a stat dec that they did not access his laptop. Anyone who refuses has to go to meet with one of the Defence heads for discipline.

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