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more muslim daily madness
Apr 3rd, 2009 at 9:36am
 
I could not find the last thread named like this, so started another.
have confidance islam will give us worthy news regularily .



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JAKARTA: Islamic extremists have infiltrated deep into Indonesia's government, businesses, schools and religious bodies, and are using cunning new tactics to seize control of mosques and preach radicalism, former president Abdurrahman Wahid has written in a new book.

Mr Wahid, who was president of Indonesia from 1999 to 2001, said hardliners were transforming Indonesia's traditionally moderate brand of Islam into one that is "aggressive, furious, intolerant and full of hate".

Writing in The Illusion of an Islamic State, Mr Wahid said the extremists were systematically infiltrating Indonesian institutions in order to remake Indonesian society "in their own harsh and rigid likeness".

Mr Wahid, also known as Gus Dur, said the hardliners were strongly influenced by transnational Islamic movements from the Middle East, such as Wahhabism and the Muslim Brotherhood, and many are financed by massive amounts of Wahhabi petro-dollars.

The 68-year-old wrote that the hardliners have penetrated to the heart of Indonesia's Government, and warned of opportunistic politicians who work with extremist political parties and groups.

"They have joined the extremists in driving our nation towards a deep chasm, which threatens destruction and national disintegration," he wrote.

The book is based on more than two years of research by the LibForAll Foundation, a non-government organisation set up to promote religious tolerance and discredit extremism.

The Indonesian Council of Religious Scholars had largely fallen into the grip of radicals and is now dictating to - and in many ways controlling - the country's government, he wrote.

As Mr Wahid noted in the introduction, researchers for the book uncovered evidence of several cunning schemes extremists use to seize control of mosques.

Under one scheme, a group of youths offer a mosque a free cleaning service. Actually "extremist agents", the cleaners aim to impress a mosque's management with their piety, and eventually gain a spot on the mosque's board.

Once on the board, they consolidate their power, stack it with other radicals and eventually come to control who can serve as imam, deliver sermons or give religious education.

The groups were also involved in strenuous efforts to seize control of Indonesia's mainstream Islamic organisations, particularly Muhammadiyah and the Nahdatul Ulama, in order to use them as vehicles to spread extremism, Mr Wahid said.

About 90 per cent of Indonesia's 240 million people are Muslims. Mr Wahid, Indonesia's fourth president, was kicked out of office and impeached in 2001 amid accusations of incompetence and corruption.

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25281031-2703,00.html
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Reply #1 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 11:22am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 9:36am:
I could not find the last thread named like this, so started another.
have confidance islam will give us worthy news regularily .
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There was a thread "a day in muslimland" where I was documenting extreme behaviour of islamic fanatics in muslim states from current news. It seems that the thread has gone but unfortunately the fanatical behaviour has not.

Here is another example.

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Pakistani authorities ordered inquiries Friday into a video showing the public flogging of a screaming woman in a northwestern valley where officials have yielded to Taliban demands for Islamic law.
A militant spokesman defended the punishment, fueling a furor that cast more doubt on a creaking peace deal in the Swat valley that U.S. officials fear has created another haven for allies of al-Qaida.
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The two-minute video, widely aired on local television Friday, shows the woman face down on the ground with two men holding her arms and feet. Her all-enveloping burqa has been hitched up to expose a pair of pink trousers.

A third man in a black turban with a long beard whips her backside more than a dozen times, causing her to scream repeatedly and shout "Stop it, stop it! It is painful!" A crowd of men watches silently in the background.
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Muslim Khan, spokesman for the Swat Taliban, said the militants publicly flogged a woman nine months ago over allegations that she had an illicit relationship with her father-in-law, but he was not sure if the video showed that incident.

He defended the punishment, although he said it should not have been done in public and should have been carried out by a boy who had not yet reached puberty.


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Pakistan mosque blast 'kills 15'

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A bomb has exploded at a religious gathering of Shia Muslims in north-eastern Pakistan, killing at least 15 people, police say.

Dozens of others were injured in the blast near the capital, Islamabad, officials said.

According to early reports, the explosion occurred outside a mosque in the Chakwal area of Punjab province.

It comes a day after eight paramilitary soldiers were killed in a suicide attack on an Islamabad security base.

"A suicide bomber blew himself up at the gates of Imambargah (mosque) where a religious gathering was taking place," police official Chaudhry Zulfiqar told AFP news agency.

He said police at the gate tried to stop the attacker going inside, where about 1,200 people had gathered.


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Reply #3 - Apr 9th, 2009 at 3:06pm
 


another terrorist plot. involvong some people from a Uni.

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British police arrested 10 men on Wednesday in a series of anti-terrorist raids across northwest England.

Greater Manchester Police said the suspects were detained in raids across a wide area including the cities of Manchester and Liverpool.

The force said several addresses were being searched.

Police would not give any details of the alleged plot.

At least one of the raids was in the working-class Cheetham Hill area of Manchester, which has a large South Asian community.

Witnesses said another raid was at Liverpool's John Moores University. Footage recorded on a mobile phone showed armed police standing over a man lying on the floor of a university building.

"Suddenly there was all shouting and commotion outside so I went to the window and saw about eight police officers," said student Craig Ahmed, 24. "One of them was armed and was pointing his gun at two men who were ordered to lie face down on the ground."

The British government currently assesses the country's terror threat level as "severe", the second highest of five possible ratings.

It has been at that level or higher since suicide bombers killed 52 commuters on London's bus and subway system on July 7, 2005.

Since then, two other major attempted attacks in Britain have failed. Two weeks after the July 7 attacks, a group of men attempted a similar strike against the city's transit network - but their bombs failed to detonate. In 2007, attempted car bombings in London's theatre district and at Glasgow airport also failed.

Intelligence and security officials say more than a dozen other attempted attacks have been thwarted since 2001. They include an alleged 2006 plot to blow up trans-Atlantic jetliners in mid-air, for which eight men are currently on trial..........



http://www.theage.com.au/world/10-arrested-in-england-antiterrorist-raids-200904...

no wonder the western world has had enough of these nutters and are pressing onward with freedom of speech.
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Wednesday, April 8, 2009

Hawiye kidnap Canadian journalist is pregnant

MOGADISHU --Amanda Lindhout, a Canadian journalist who was abducted by habar-gidir .. hawiye al-shabaab wing gunmen in the Somali capital Mogadishu about eight months ago is reportedly pregnant after she was apparently raped by her abductors, Sources say the Canadian journalist Amanda and an Australian photojournalist are being held by the militia in the northeastern neighbourhood of Suqa Holaha habar-girir hawye Terrorist neighborhood in Mogadishu. The abductors have demanded $2.5 million of ransom from the two journalists to release.

Amanda and the Australian photojournalist once escaped from a house in Suqa Holaha neighnourhood and entered a mosque near by, but they were recaptured again. militia who kidnapped the journalists claims they are al-shabab Terrorist Hawiye wing . Some reports suggest that one the abductors made Amanda as his wife.

The journalists were kidnapped between the Afgoye district and the capital city with their Somali photojournalist, Abdifatah Mohammed Elmi a hawiye man , who was acting as a translator for the two in September 2008, but Abdifitah was released after 5 months. Abdiftah said that he did not see Amanda and colleague since the militia abducted them.

http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/04/hawiye-terrorist-kidnap-canadian.h...


This should be no surprise, Allan the Moon God says that jihadis can rape infidel women.
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2009 at 8:01pm
 


how oppressive these front bottoms are, from over 25 years ago they will behead anyone who is pposed to them.
yet is terrorism is committed for them, it is ok.




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Saudi Arabia beheaded 16 Kuwaiti Shiites by sword in public today in the Islamic holy city of Mecca in connection with bombings and other terrorism during the annual Muslim pilgrimage in July.

The condemned men were all Shiite Muslims of Iranian and Saudi origin. They were accused of having smuggled explosives and weapons and found guilty of placing bombs near the Great Mosque of Mecca. Saudi Arabia said they had also planned other acts of terrorism in Saudi Arabia during the pilgrimage season on the orders of Iran.



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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 12:06am
 
Saudi judge upholds man's marriage to 8-year-old

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(CNN) -- A Saudi mother is expected to appeal a judge's ruling after he once again refused to let her 8-year-old daughter divorce a 47-year-old man, a relative said.

Sheikh Habib Al-Habib made the ruling Saturday in the Saudi city of Onaiza. Late last year, he rejected a petition to annul the marriage.

The case, which has drawn criticism from local and international rights groups, came to light in December when Al-Habib declined to annul the marriage on a legal technicality. His dismissal of the mother's petition sparked outrage and made headlines around the world.

The judge said the mother, who is separated from the girl's father, was not the legal guardian and therefore could not represent her daughter, the mother's lawyer, Abdullah al-Jutaili, said at the time.

The girl's husband pledged not to consummate the marriage until the girl reaches puberty, according to al-Jutaili, who added that the girl's father arranged the marriage to settle his debts with the man, who is considered "a close friend."

In March, an appeals court in the Saudi capital of Riyadh declined to certify the original ruling, in essence rejecting al-Habib's verdict, and sent the case back to al-Habib for reconsideration.

Under the Saudi legal process, the appeals court ruling meant that the marriage was still in effect, but that a challenge to the marriage was still ongoing.

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The relative, who said the girl's mother will continue to pursue a divorce, told CNN the judge "stuck by his earlier verdict and insisted that the girl could petition the court for a divorce once she reached puberty."

The appeals court in Riyadh will take up the case again and a hearing is scheduled for next month, according to the relative.

Child marriages have made news in Saudi Arabia in the past year.

In a statement issued shortly after the original verdict, the Society of Defending Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia said the judge's decision went against children's "basic rights."

Marrying children makes them "lose their sense of security and safety," the group said. "Also, it destroys their feeling of being loved and nurtured. It causes them a lifetime of psychological problems and severe depression."

Zuhair al-Harithi, a spokesman for the Saudi Human Rights Commission, a government-run group, told CNN that his organization was fighting child marriages.

"Child marriages violate international agreements that have been signed by Saudi Arabia and should not be allowed," al-Harithi said.

Child marriage is not unusual, said Christoph Wilcke, a Saudi Arabian researcher for the international group Human Rights Watch, after the initial verdict.

"We've been hearing about these types of cases once every four or five months because the Saudi public is now able to express this kind of anger, especially so when girls are traded off to older men," Wilcke told CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/12/saudi.child.marriage/index.html


[Well of course he did. Mohammed the perfect human, married a 6 year old. And in a kingdom where the Koran is the constitution, it would be blasphemy not to let an old man marry a little girl. It's all about tolerance for other people's beliefs you know - what one society (say ours) might call pedophilia, is another society's freedom of religion, and it is only our intolerance, race hate and xenophobia that seeks to criticise such practices. There is no right and wrong, just different cultures that we ALL have to work harder to understand and overcome our prejudices about. The Multitcultist Fascist State sentences you to a year of Re-Education to learn more tolerance.]
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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 1:23am
 
Calanen wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 12:06am:
It's all about tolerance for other people's beliefs you know - what one society (say ours) might call pedophilia, is another society's freedom of religion, and it is only our intolerance, race hate and xenophobia that seeks to criticise such practices. There is no right and wrong, just different cultures that we ALL have to work harder to understand and overcome our prejudices about. The Multitcultist Fascist State sentences you to a year of Re-Education to learn more tolerance.]

It might pay to wait until someone actually dissents, counsellor, before you launch into your diatribe of feigned melodramatic outrage.
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 11:07am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 1:23am:
Calanen wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 12:06am:
It's all about tolerance for other people's beliefs you know - what one society (say ours) might call pedophilia, is another society's freedom of religion, and it is only our intolerance, race hate and xenophobia that seeks to criticise such practices. There is no right and wrong, just different cultures that we ALL have to work harder to understand and overcome our prejudices about. The Multitcultist Fascist State sentences you to a year of Re-Education to learn more tolerance.]

It might pay to wait until someone actually dissents, counsellor, before you launch into your diatribe of feigned melodramatic outrage.







helian,

Sorry, i don't understand your point here?

We should 'wait until someone actually dissents' ???

Who should we be waiting for?

Saudi authorities believe there is no issue, as devout muslims, consider the marriage of child brides as 'kosher' in ISLAM.

Same as beheading Saudi citizens who reveal their conversion to Christianity [is 'kosher' in ISLAM].

Who should 'dissent' ?




Should all we non-muslims remain silent?

Is that your point?



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Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 11:07am:
helian,

Sorry, i don't understand your point here?

We should 'wait until someone actually dissents' ???

Should all we non-muslims remain silent?

Is that your point?

No Yadd. My point is that no one on this forum or throughout Australia would condone the practice of child marriage, whether it occurs in Saudi Arabia or India and neither would 99.99% of Muslims and Hindus, I'd bet. What kind of man was the father who sold his daughter to pay off a debt? A fringe dweller, a gambler, a walking piece of filth? Probably all three.

The counsellor got on his soap box again preaching to the dissenting voices in his head about the evils of tolerance...

Tolerance is not about accepting everything as morally equal to everything else... That's called indifference.
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Reply #10 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 12:10pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 11:25am:
Yadda wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 11:07am:
helian,

Sorry, i don't understand your point here?

We should 'wait until someone actually dissents' ???

Should all we non-muslims remain silent?

Is that your point?

No Yadd. My point is that no one on this forum or throughout Australia would condone the practice of child marriage, whether it occurs in Saudi Arabia or India and neither would 99.99% of Muslims and Hindus, I'd bet.



Thank you for that clarification.


And, I would not place that bet.

You would lose your money.

There are many, many examples, which have been cited recently in the Western media, where members of muslim communities, have removed children to their 'home' countries, for the purpose of enabling their muslim cultural practises, to be performed in a more accommodating 'environment'.

Young girls have been 'repatriated' for arranged marriages, and also for female genital mutilation, because their parents know that the host culture in the West would not tolerate such cultural practises.






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What kind of man was the father who sold his daughter to pay off a debt? A fringe dweller, a gambler, a walking piece of filth? Probably all three.



Not so, in my opinion.

In the example under examination, these ppl were merely muslims, muslims, who condone such practices, and were merely engaging in a 'normal' and legitimate, cultural practice.

And that is what should concern us, seeing as we welcome muslims, and by default, we welcome their culture [and these same values], among us.

Or should we consider something portrayed by some who have no care [for the welfare of others], as tolerance [of other cultures]?




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The counsellor got on his soap box again
preaching to the dissenting voices in his head about the evils of tolerance
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I don't believe that is Cal's position - AT ALL.

I believe his position could more fairly be said to be that, he does not see any merit in seeing evil, and then 'turning away', and refering to our moral 'blindness', as 'tolerance', and something to be proud, of in ourselves.

We are kidding ourselves, imagining that ignoring evil in front of our eyes, is to be commended as an example of our 'tolerance'.


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann





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Tolerance is not about accepting everything as morally equal to everything else...
That's called indifference
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Like, the position many of us take on moral issues today,

.....'I don't know, and i don't care.' ?






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Reply #11 - Apr 13th, 2009 at 2:48pm
 
Broken lives: Nigeria's child brides who end up on the streets
Nigerian child bride

Child brides in Nigeria are often crippled by childbirth. Their injuries lead to incontinence, shame and exile
Ramita Navai in Kano

In a small, dimly lit brothel in the red-light district of Kano in northern Nigeria nearly all the young prostitutes lined up on plastic chairs are runaway brides.

“I was married when I was 15 years old. I was forced into it,” said Hadiza.

Whenever her husband attempted to consummate the marriage, Hadiza would flee to her parents’ home, but they kept returning her to the man to whom she had been married off.

Finally her husband raped her: the attack was so violent that Hadiza was sent to hospital.
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“We have no choice. If you’re not married by the time you’re 16, people think there must be something wrong with you,” she said. The girls around her nod silently - some of them had been forced to marry when they were only 12.

Northern Nigeria has one of the highest rates of child marriage in the world: nearly half of all girls here are married by the age of 15.

The consequences have been devastating. Nigeria has the highest maternal mortality rate in Africa and one of the world’s highest rates of fistula, a condition that can occur when the pressure of childbirth tears a hole between the vagina and the bladder or rectum. Many women are left incontinent for life. Up to 800,000 women suffer from fistula in Nigeria.

“They marry young, they get pregnant young, they deliver young and they pick up the fistula,” said Kees Waaldijk, the chief consultant surgeon at the Babbar Ruga hospital, the world’s largest fistula clinic, in the northern state of Katsina.

Most cases happen to young girls during their first pregnancy, and nearly half the patients at Babbar Ruga are under 16.

Dr Waaldijk operates on up to 600 women a year, with no electricity or running water. He sterilises his equipment in a steel casserole pot that sits on a gas camping stove. Rows of girls and women - some as young as 13 - lie listlessly on rusty hospital beds, each connected to a catheter.

The smell of urine is overpowering and many of the women have been cast out from their communities. Some have been divorced by their husbands - it is estimated that up to half of adolescent girls in northern Nigeria are divorced. “If nothing is done the woman ends up crippled for life: medically, socially, mentally and emotionally,” Dr Waaldijk said.

The Nigerian federal Government has attempted to outlaw child marriage. In 2003 it passed the Child Rights Act, prohibiting marriage under the age of 18. In the Muslim northern states, though, there has been fierce resistance to the Act, with many people portraying it as antiIslamic. “Child marriage in Islam is permissible. In the Koran there is no specific age of marriage,” said Imam Sani, a liberal cleric in the northern state of Kaduna. He said that this was the root cause of the opposition among the more hardline mullahs, who believe that matters of Islamic “personal” law - marriage, divorce and inheritance - must be governed by the Koran, not the state.

“The Muslim clerics have a problem with this Child Rights Act and they decried it, they castigate it, they reject it and they don’t want it introduced in Nigeria,” Mr Sani said.

He said there would be serious repercussions if the federal Government attempted to impose a minimum age of marriage. “There will be violent conflict from the Muslims, saying that ‘no, we will not accept this, we’d rather die than accept something which is not a law from Allah’.”

Half of Nigeria’s 36 states have passed the Act, but it has been adopted by only one of the dozen Muslim states - and even that one made a crucial amendment substituting the age of 18 for the term “puberty”.

Each state in Nigeria has the constitutional right to amend legislation to comply with its local traditions and religion, meaning that central government is powerless to impose a minimum age of marriage.

Other vocal opponents to the Act include village heads and elders - almost all men - highlighting the tribal and cultural constraints that hamper attempts to stamp out child marriage.

“It is important we have the right to marry our girls young so there is no risk of pregnancy outside marriage. It is to preserve the purity of our girls,” said Usman, an 84-year-old man from the village of Yammaw Fulani, who married a 14-year-old girl four years ago. “We will never accept this law,” he said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5248224.ece

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Let's see what the Islamic experts tell us about child marriage in Islam. Of course he will tell us, it is abhorent and not Islamic at all...or will he?



Maybe the guy above was jsut confused, one of those 'Zionist Islamic Imitators', how about this one, what has he to say:




CNN report as mother recounts how her husband in Saudi Arabia sold their two underage daughters into marriage:

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calanen - that MUST be totally islamic.
It's what mohammad did.
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   that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'


The prophet is the perfect human and his example can always be followed, no matter what the horrible western infidels say. They just need to learn to be more tolerant of other cultures and not such be such prejudiced haters.
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