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Would Aboriginals be happier under the WAP?
Apr 13^th, 2009 at 5:23pm

Would Aboriginals be happier under a White Australia Policy?

Under the WAP, they were considered flora and fauna.

New moves by the Queensland state Government has locked off a considerable amount of land to all 'people.'

Isn't it about time the Australian Government recognised Aboriginals right to venture onto any land they please even if its restricted land for people and re-declare them flora and fauna?

I think Aboriginals everywhere would be much happier with this move. Cool

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25301134-2702,00.html

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Would Aboriginals be happier under the WAP? Reply #1 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 6:54pm I could hardly align them to flowers. maybe animals
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Reply #2 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 7:18pm

Why do you seek to deliberately offend people DT?

And Sprint, you should be ashamed for that comment.

Sure when you are dealing with like minded adults, in private, you may allow your more base cravings to be released, but to say things like this, where kids could access the message you are sending, is pretty sad.

People are people, irrespective of race, or background, there is good and bad amongst all races, but imagine an aboriginal kid seeing some twenty something privileged white guys describing them as not people, as some type of flora or fauna, that just should not happen.

Fair dinkum, I sometimes despair for the decency in this world, is there no men of decency and honour left?

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Reply #3 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 7:20pm

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Fair dinkum, I sometimes despair for the decency in this world, is there no men of decency and honour left?

Your decency and 'honour' is fairyland living, where in any armed violent situation you'd run around screaming 'Doooont!! That's baaaad..naughty!' while waiting for the Magic Fairyland Police to parachute out of the sky to save you within a hot minute from whatever was happening. God help us if we have to rely on any de-bollocked men like you to ever deal with anything seriously in this country.

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Reply #4 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 7:34pm

What's that Marshall Dill(on)?

Your paranoid delusions of like minded gun nuts saving us all from imaginary terrors is not keeping you up at night is it?

Who wants guns in australia?

You do.

Who NEEDS guns in australia?

That is the more pertinent question, and I think that most farmers would, sporting shooters would, police and defence forces of course, but who else actually needs them?

I do not buy your wild west scenario that we live in such a wildly violent and dangerous society that we all need to be armed for self defence.
I contend that if your nightmare scenario were ever realised, we would just see the gun deaths, and violent crimes escalate to like what we see in the US, and I don't want to see australia go down that path.

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Reply #5 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 7:57pm

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I contend that if your nightmare scenario were ever realised, we would just see the gun deaths, and violent crimes escalate to like what we see in the US, and I don't want to see australia go down that path

Do you think criminals give a flying bugger what the gun laws are? We are seeing a wholesale retreat by law enforcement, mostly because of idiots like yourself who don't want them ever to use their guns and want more rights for criminals, so that the only thing the cops do now is traffic enforcement and clean up crew to take photographs of corpses.

At least in the states, people could keep a gun in the bedside table to defend themselves. Here you have to run around like a mad thing getting ammo out of lockers and safes and hope you are faster than the burglar. That's if you even have a gun at all.

But by God, no matter how slow you are assembling and loading your weapon, you'll be faster than the cops who may not show up at all and will mark the COPS sheet 'Other resource priorities' and instead go on Operation Strikeforce Krakatoa, where 40 or so Police will be sent to make sure people are wearing seatbelts a suburb or two away.

There is NO connection between regular people owning guns and criminals owning guns. NONE. Heroin and cocaine is shipped into Australia by the container load. Do you think guns aren't too? Do you even know what the firearm stats are, for anywhere?

And you were lecturing me about how hard or easy it would be to use a gun in a particular situation, and then dived away when I asked what experience with firearms you had had? None. If you've never used a gun, and have no training - then you cant POSSIBLY know whether a person can use one or in what situation at home. You have been brainwashed by the liberal media about how dangerous weapons are, and consider that you are too much of a childlike adult to own one. Well maybe you are and shouldnt have one. Other people are adults and can use and own weapons. If you cant manage it, then opt out.

If you don't want to be armed fine, that's your business. But if I want to be armed, I can be. Where is the huge crime increase as a result of me being on the range? Anyone anyone? Bueller? Has society crumbled? It might surprise you to know that a lot of the people that shoot on the range are ex-military, businessmen, bankers. All the clubs at Malabar don't do banks over or rob pubs. None of them have had the slightest run in with the police. They are not the people who commit the gun crimes, who are before the courts every day of the week.

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Reply #7 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:16pm

Roger that, if suitably motivated, I will do so.

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Would Aboriginals be happier under a White Australia Policy?

The Aboriginal problem cannot be cured with money. No matter how many billions you give them. You cannot MAKE a person go to school. You cant *make* them not take drugs, or not commit crimes. And it doesnt matter how many billions the Commonwealth or the States gives Aboriginal people, everyone, white and black has a choice as to how they behave. If they make the wrong choice - money won't fix that. Not ever.

I don't know what the answer is. But probably military service for a year for *every* kid in this country would be a good start. I had a 14 year old delinquent lecture me the other day about how if I wanted respect in this society I had to take it - sheesh!

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Reply #8 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 8:23pm

Yes, there are no easy answers, but I really think putting them down is counter productive.
I think that seeing more and more great aboriginal role models excelling in the arts, and in sport, is a fantastic motivator for younger aboriginals, and with better education, and the intervention, where needed, progress is being made.

They have had so many do it tough for too long, but I really think we are seeing positives emerge, that can allow us to be optimistic that the future will be better than the past, at last.

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Reply #9 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 9:51pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 7:18pm:

Why do you seek to deliberately offend people DT?

And Sprint, you should be ashamed for that comment.

Sure when you are dealing with like minded adults, in private, you may allow your more base cravings to be released, but to say things like this, where kids could access the message you are sending, is pretty sad.

People are people, irrespective of race, or background, there is good and bad amongst all races, but imagine an aboriginal kid seeing some twenty something privileged white guys describing them as not people, as some type of flora or fauna, that just should not happen.

Fair dinkum, I sometimes despair for the decency in this world, is there no men of decency and honour left?

But Mozzaok, I genuinely believe they might be happier being regarded as flora and fauna. I had no intention of offending anyone... only offering a solution.

They always protest about living under white mans law, having their culture stolen away from them and forced to live the white mans way... isn't it the next best thing to be given back the basic freedoms that they had before being forced into European settlement by human rights/anti-racist activists? In other words, being regarded as flora and fauna?

This way, they would be allowed on this settlement and would not be restricted as citizens are. Tell me this doesn't make sense?

Aboriginals can go back onto their land away from 'horrible' European civilisation and we would have less domestic violence, rapes and general crime in Australian European settlements. It seems to make perfect sense to me. Everyone is a winner. Huh

Maybe to those Aboriginals not allowed on this land who want to go onto it, they should be given documents stating that they want to legally be regarded as natural Australian flora and fauna.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Would Aboriginals be happier under the WAP? Reply #10 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 10:07pm mozzaok - they are not like minded adults. If they were, we would not be considering classifying them as flora or fauna to "help" them. we would not have to "help" them.
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Reply #12 - Apr 13^th, 2009 at 11:36pm

A good mate of mine has worked for years with Aboriginal communities and he has come to deeply respect and enjoy the company of aboriginal people... particlarly in strict dry communities. It took 3 years of interacting with the communities of central and Western Australia before he was accepted as trustworthy.

His assessment of it is that 'they are born children and so long as they aren't infected by the cities, they remain childlike all their lives'. They would probably see no dishonour in being associated with the animals of their dreamtime when it is they who are making that choice... But I'd bet that if a white fella labeled a black fella as like a dog, he would be shamed by it. And their greatest resentment, so I'm told, is the sense of shame they feel is imposed on them by the white fella.

So, no... I don't believe they'd feel in the slightest better off by the implied derision that the epithet 'fauna' would burden them with.

However, we have to learn to stop seeing them as necessarily aspiring to be Europeans.

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Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2009 at 11:12am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 13^th, 2009 at 11:36pm:

However, we have to learn to stop seeing them as necessarily aspiring to be Europeans.

Well, most of them are far more European than anything else. Tallow's question of wrong skin or wrong totem is apt. Aboriginality today is a political stance, especially when you can claim aboriginality because one of your grandparents was half aboriginal.

"In 1972, Pat Eatock, founding secretary of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy, officially became the first Aborigine to stand for federal parliament in the ACT, even though she looked as white as her Scottish mother, or some of her father's British relatives.

Indeed, Eatock only started to identify as Aboriginal when she was 19, after attending a political rally, so little did any racial difference matter to her before her awakening to far-Left causes.

But she thrived as an Aboriginal bureaucrat, activist and academic, leading the way for Leeanne Enoch, who stood for Labor in last month's Queensland election as its "first Aboriginal candidate" in a winnable seat, despite looking as Aboriginal, or not, as Premier Anna Bligh.

The white Aboriginal artist, too, is more than 15 years old. Kim Scott was hailed as the first Aborigine to win the Miles Franklin Award, and calls himself a Noongar, despite conceding that the Aborigines who did not know him called him wadjila - a white.

No doubt he has Aboriginal ancestry, but why does he not also identify with his obvious European background?

That is now a question even for our most famous Aboriginal leaders. Geoff Clarke, the last chairman of ATSIC, the Aboriginal "parliament", had an English father. Lowtija O'Donoghue, another ATSIC chairman, had an Irish father. Fair Michael Mansell, the Tasmanian firebrand, clearly has more European than Aboriginal ancestry.

Even Professor Mick Dodson, the Australian of the Year and a fierce advocate for a treaty between black and white, had a white father and from the age of 10 was a boarder at a Victorian Catholic school. Sign a treaty with yourself, Mick.

Or take the most prominent Yorta Yorta leaders - Melbourne University academic Wayne Atkinson and Victorian Traditional Owners Land Justice Group co-chair Graham Atkinson. Both are Aboriginal because their Indian great-grandfather married a part-Aboriginal woman. "

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