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Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 11:28am

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CAMDEN'S Christian leaders have united to condemn the Quranic Society, which wants to build an Islamic school in Camden, for espousing views which are "incompatible with the Australian way of life".
The leaders of the St John's Anglican, Camden Presbyterian and Camden Baptist churches and the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary signed a letter to Camden Council arguing that the proposal was not in the public interest.

"Camden is increasingly becoming a multicultural community, but when one part of the community seeks to dominate the public space, as we have seen in Auburn, Bankstown, Lakemba and more recently Liverpool, the social impact is unacceptable," says the letter, which was read at the Quranic Society's appeal to the Land and Environment Court yesterday.

"Our concern is the Quranic Society inevitably advocates a political ideological position that is incompatible with the Australian way of life. This includes promoting Quranic law as being superior to national laws and regarding followers of any rival religion as inevitably at enmity with it."

The school proposal has split the Camden community.
The council voted unanimously to reject the original application for a 1200-pupil school "on planning grounds alone" last May.

After reducing its proposal to a school catering for 900 students, the Quranic Society took its case to the Land and Environment Court.

Commissioner Graham Brown, who will decide the school's fate, visited the site yesterday morning, along with lawyers, council officials and residents. It is on a rural block on the corner of Cawdor and Burragarong roads.

The hearing continued at Camden Civic Centre in the afternoon, attended by about 150 residents.

The hearing continues today.

with Alicia Bowie

http://www.smh.com.au/national/churches-oppose-islamic-school-20090421-ae1i.html

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Reply #1 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 12:10pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 11:28am:

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CAMDEN'S Christian leaders have united to condemn the Quranic Society, which wants to build an Islamic school in Camden, for espousing views which are "incompatible with the Australian way of life".
The leaders of the St John's Anglican, Camden Presbyterian and Camden Baptist churches and the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary signed a letter to Camden Council arguing that the proposal was not in the public interest.

"Camden is increasingly becoming a multicultural community, but when one part of the community seeks to dominate the public space, as we have seen in Auburn, Bankstown, Lakemba and more recently Liverpool, the social impact is unacceptable," says the letter, which was read at the Quranic Society's appeal to the Land and Environment Court yesterday.

"Our concern is the Quranic Society inevitably advocates a political ideological position that is incompatible with the Australian way of life. This includes promoting Quranic law as being superior to national laws and regarding followers of any rival religion as inevitably at enmity with it."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/churches-oppose-islamic-school-20090421-ae1i.html

Thank you sprint!

Wow! Wow! Wow!

Good on em!
......CAMDEN'S Christian leaders that is.

The contents of the Koran encourages a vile and very, very, wicked philosophy.

It is called ISLAM.

Not the Koran, but the practice of ISLAM should be banned in all nations.

I'm still holding my breath!

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ISLAM = deception, lies, violence.

Those are its fruits.

When it suits their purpose [of 'approachment' to Christians / secular society] muslims will [deceitfully] claim, their friendship with, and claim a spiritual brotherhood with, Christians,

'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'.

ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a bit, they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue.....
A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS VISITING THE MOSQUE and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat them kindly and talk about 'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'.
JUST AS SOON AS THAT GROUP OF VISITORS LEAVES, THE LANGUAGE CHANGES COMPLETELY. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says.....

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcript

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #2 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 1:32pm

My God, we are the first country in the world to actually sound off like we have a pair.

*SOMEONE* finally gets it. Islam = Religious Apartheid, religious fascism in which the uber Islamic overlords rule over us, and those who refuse to be ruled over as dhimmis are slaughtered and destroyed,

Until we start getting that through our thick skulls, we are lost. In our arrogance we think we can meet, with no effort, a very sophisticated program which should be called 'Conquest for Dummies' - Islam, just by doing nothing. Sound plan there dhimmis.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #4 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 1:55pm I see no reason to link any religion with education.
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Reply #5 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 1:43pm:

And doomed to failure...

Just like the signs often placed in shop and pub windows until near the end of the 19th century "Chinese not served here" and "Help wanted. No Irishman need apply", Camden's little spat will be interpreted as something other than having a metaphorical pair.

Chinese, Irish, are races of ppl [in the case of Irish, a nationality?].

Whereas ISLAM, [effectively] is a deceptive, violent, fascist political philosophy, which encourages the murder of all who resist its authority.

For free people to choose to tolerate evil, to tolerate a philosophy like ISLAM,
......is to choose to remove all further free choice from their lives.

When it comes to ISLAM, why can't ppl see that,

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #6 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:13pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 1:43pm:

And doomed to failure...

Just like the signs often placed in shop and pub windows until near the end of the 19th century "Chinese not served here" and "Help wanted. No Irishman need apply", Camden's little spat will be interpreted as something other than having a metaphorical pair.

Chinese, Irish, are races of ppl [in the case of Irish, a nationality?].

Whereas ISLAM, [effectively] is a deceptive, violent, fascist political philosophy, which encourages the murder of all who resist its authority.

For free people to choose to tolerate evil, to tolerate a philosophy like ISLAM,
......is to choose to remove all further free choice from their lives.

When it comes to ISLAM, why can't ppl see that,

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

And the Chinese were considered yellow sub-humans... the Irish - violent thieves, layabouts and drunks.

In the "immortal" words of Edmund Barton : "These races [Asians and aborigines] are, in comparison with the white races - I think no one wants convincing of this fact - unequal and inferior."

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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #7 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:16pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:13pm: In the "immortal" words of Edmund Barton : "These races [Asians and aborigines] are, in comparison with the white races - I think no one wants convincing of this fact - unequal and inferior." So wise.
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Reply #8 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:23pm

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:13pm:

In the "immortal" words of Edmund Barton : "These races [Asians and aborigines] are, in comparison with the white races - I think no one wants convincing of this fact - unequal and inferior."

So wise.

Just a victim of his time.

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Reply #9 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:26pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:23pm:

DILLIGAF wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 2:13pm:

In the "immortal" words of Edmund Barton : "These races [Asians and aborigines] are, in comparison with the white races - I think no one wants convincing of this fact - unequal and inferior."

So wise.

Just a victim of his time.

A hero of his time and until this very day.

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Reply #10 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 6:43pm

An ideology is not a race. Islam is not a race.

If you were to say, Communists not served here, or Nazis not served here there is something comparable.

That Islamic group does believe in jihad. They are against Australian values. They do want to crush our society and rule with the use of sharia. And if they didn't they wouldnt be an Islamic group.

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Reply #11 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 7:06pm

Good news. Despite what Helian says, the public debate appears to be moving forward. I think this is the first time I have seen public commentary focus on the political aspects of Islam.

They chose an interesting way of phrasing it - the superiority of Islamic law over national law and non-Muslims as inevitably at enmity with it. To me, this doesn't seem to do enough to distinguish Islam. Everyone thinks that they have some changes that would make our laws better, which makes some degree of enmity inevitable. I would have focussed on more specific issues - opposition to democracy, human rights and freedom, denial of freedom of religion, cruel and unusual punishment etc. Perhaps the chosen phrasing makes it harder for Muslims to mislead the public with the various deflections they use, for example by saying that Islam compels them to obey local law, while omitting details like the violent overthrow of our government at the first opportunity. It also cuts to the fundamental problem - that Islam is a set of laws, not a religion.

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It also cuts to the fundamental problem - that Islam is a set of laws, not a religion.

It is a set of laws, a culture, a nation state without borders, a system of government, a political philosopy AND a religion. But the religious part is only, we can do all of the previous things because God says we have to and so we are always right and there can never be any argument about what we are doing.

What do we know about the Quaranic Society? Anything? Where it's getting its money from? Benefactors? Source of funding? Beliefs, philosophies? As usual, we know nothing about it. But the community has to 'tolerate' a huge cloistered school plonked right in its midst, staffed by adherents to an ideology that would like to see their little community destroyed and under sharia rule.

Why should they have to 'tolerate' that?

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Reply #13 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 8:54pm

It’s interesting to note that its churches opposing the Islamic school, specifically the leaders of the St John's Anglican, Camden Presbyterian and Camden Baptist churches and the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary. Two religions battling it out as they have for centuries.

Discrimination based on religion and discrimination based on race are essentially the same. Both presume that people will act in a predictably negative manner and cannot, either by perceived permanent mindset or by genetic predisposition, act any other way.

There may be more of these episodes, but sooner or later it will boil down to pure racial or religious discrimination for its own sake.

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Discrimination based on religion and discrimination based on race are essentially the same

Except..they're not the same at all.

How about I re-invent the Nazi party, and call it my religion, because God told me to implement those policies - but you can't criticise any of those policies, well, because its my religion.

Islam defines itself as the only political ideology that cannot be criticisde at all, hiding behind the cloak of religion. You've bought into that deception, I haven't.

And as for people being able to behave predictably as muslims, we have had more than 1300 years of predictability. Why is there no 'Sikhaphobia' or 'Buddhismaphobia' or 'Mormonophobia'? It's because Islam boldly says it is going to kill and take over everything around it, and then acts as the victim when people say they are not willing to go along with that.

You know nothing about Islam helian, just like your mates mantra and moazaak.

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