Kilcullen is also a counter-insurgency expert, he doesn't seem to know very much about Islam from what I have read of his stuff, or if he does, he is keeping it well hidden.

from the little I have read of Kilcullen I'ld say he was very knowledgable about islam and muslims.
more to the point, he seems to be capable of negating the extremists.

Jim Profit wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 9:22am:


Well said JP.  I can't understand the hatred so many have for Muslims.  They have got some quirky ideologies which I don't agree with, but on the whole most of them want to live in peace the same as the rest of us. I can only think this hatred of Muslims has been influenced by the Zionist contolled media who allow propaganda to flourish unabated.

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mantra,

What a lot of inaccurate drivel [i.e. pure

LIES!

] in your post,
.....LIES which you are promoting and giving credence to.

"Churches oppose Islamic school"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1240363717/169#169

e.g.

Quote:



TRUTH....
Even 'immutable' ISLAMIC scripture itself [from the 700's AD], states Allah's hatred of Jews [and therefore sanctifies all present muslim hatred of Jews]....

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."

quran 005.051
...[i.e. he is an 'unbeliever']

"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."

hadithsunnah/bukhari 004.056.660


ISLAMIC DOCTRINE AGREES THAT THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT CANNOT COME UNTIL,
....ALL JEWS ARE FOUGHT, AND SLAUGHTERED - BY DEVOUT MUSLIMS!....

"Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." "

hadithsunnah/bukhari 004.052.177



AND.....

More contemporary statements by a prominent devout muslim, a JIHADIST....

"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."
Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah [Hezbollah's #1 in Lebanon]


Hassan Nasrallah, in Lebanon's Daily Star [October 23 2002]....

Google,
"If they (the Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22If+they+%28the+Jews%29+all+gather+in+...

Can you feel the muslim love, for their fellow man???


TRUTH....
A muslim cannot be a muslim without harbouring a deep hatred of all non-muslims, ESPECIALLY JEWS.




And there is going to be a bloodbath in the middle east.

Devout muslims unceasingly indicate this bloodbath will soon occur - at their hand.

These words, from the lips of President Ahmadinejad...

"The ocean of rage of the people of the region will surge and eradicate the Zionist regime."

YOUTUBE
"Farewell Israel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-IwwfeLp4M


And the Bible indicates that a bloodbath will happen too.

Ezekiel 35

Numbers 24:23

"Bible verses you like"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1214199336/75#75







mantra,

The God of Israel, has said that his curse will be upon ppl like yourself and JP.

It is lucky then, that you have JP on your team,  ....eh?         

Genesis 12:3

Numbers 24:1,9

mantra wrote on May 12^th, 2009 at 6:55pm:




mantra,

You shouldn't hate muslims.

But [in my opinion] you should hate the evil philosophy, ISLAM, which motivates the devout muslim community.

We should encourage muslims to separate themselves from ISLAM.




And, ......you should be frightened of your God.         








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That last quote, explaining the divergence between ISLAM and Judaism sounds pretty straight.





While ISLAM is happy to piggy-back upon Judaism's history, AT THE SAME TIME,
ISLAM broadly rejects Judaism, and Judaism's 'scripture'.

???

Why?

Because accepting Jewish 'scripture' would repudiate much of ISLAMIC doctrine.

That must say something to any genuine seeker.





ALSO.....

"Comparing Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah, God etc"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231556672/7#7

"What does ISLAM portray, about itself?

To the uninformed [non-muslim], ISLAM deceitfully *portrays* and presents itself, as a continuation of Judaism and Christianity.
.....this is a lie.

Muslims try to deceitfully convey an assurance [to uninformed non-muslims], that ISLAM has a common spiritual heritage, with Judaism and Christianity.
.....this is a lie.

And it is a fact that devout muslims always portray ISLAM, within the muslim community, NOT as an equal co-existing religion, or [merely] as a religion which 'evolved' from Judaism or Christianity,
.....but devout muslims assert that ISLAM is at the same time, both a replacement of, and a *repudiation* of, Judaism and Christianity."

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Seriously - I have to wonder about you Calanen.  Didn't James Packer sell Channel 9?  What about Rupert?  He is the controlling factor behind News Corp - which owns just about everything.

San Antonio Express-News, National Star, New York Post, 20th Century Fox and Metromedia group of stations. In 1986, the Metromedia deal closed, and the Fox Broadcasting Company was launched. This network, known on-screen as "Fox", can now be picked up in over 96% of U.S. households.

News Corp bought The Herald and Weekly Times Ltd in Australia and  the Sky Television satellite network in the UK,which then forced rival satellite operator British Satellite Broadcasting to accept a merger on its terms in 1990. (The merged company, BSkyB has dominated the British pay-TV market since.)

In 1995, the Fox network became the object of scrutiny from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) when it was alleged that its Australian base made Murdoch's ownership of Fox illegal. The FCC, however, ruled in Murdoch's favor, stating that his ownership of Fox was in the public's best interests.

It was also noted that the stations themselves were owned by a separate company whose chief shareholder was U.S. citizen Murdoch, although nearly all of the stations' equity was controlled by News Corp. In the same year News Corp announced a deal with MCI Communications to develop a major news website as well as funding a conservative news magazine, The Weekly Standard. In the same year, News Corp launched the Foxtel pay television network in Australia in a partnership with Telstra and Publishing and Broadcasting Limited.

In 1996, Fox established the Fox News Channel. In 1999, News Corp acquired the controlling share in a leading Australian based label, Michael Gudinski's Mushroom Records; merging it with already held Festival Records to create Festival Mushroom Records (FMR). Both Festival and FMR were managed by Rupert Murdoch's son James Murdoch for several years.

In late 2003, News Corp acquired a 34% stake in DirecTV Group, (formerly: Hughes Electronics), from General Motors for Electronics, operator of the largest American satellite TV system, for US$6 billion.
In 2007 News Corporation reached an agreement to purchase Dow Jones, publishers of the Wall Street Journal then spun off a business news channel from Fox News - Fox Business Network.

News Corporation's headquarters is at 1211 Avenue of the Americas (Sixth Ave.), in New York City, in the newer 1960s-1970s corridor of the Rockefeller Center complex.

Office of the Chairman

Rupert Murdoch - Jewish mother
Peter Chernin – Jewish 
Devoe David, - Jewish - The 2nd Virtual Zionist Congress, 25/05/2002 .... US is the front page of Israel advocacy and all Jewish communities worldwide
Lawrence Jacobs – Jewish -  is the Senior Executive Vice President and Group General Counsel of News Corporation. The Lawrence Family Jewish Community is the hub of the Jewish Community in San Diego. In the demographic survey completed recently by The United Jewish Federation, over 80% of the Jews in San Diego County attended at least one outreach cultural experience, mostly provided by the JCC. Our attendance numbers continue to grow each year in our programming and outreach activities.
Roger Ailes,- Jewish -chairman and chief executive officer of Fox News, was the guest of honor last week at a gala dinner of the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York, held at The Plaza Hotel. The council is an umbrella body that coordinates some 60 local New York Jewish organizations and represents them to the government, and the feting of the combatively conservative media chief, a media adviser to presidents Nixon, Reagan and Bush Sr., raised some eyebrows.
Daniel Suárez García - Jewish

continued....

Stunning Jewish Success Dominates American Media - and ours

MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN, owner of NY Daily News, US News & World Report and chair of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups.  
LESLIE MOONVES, president of CBS television, great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, and co-chair with Norman Ornstein of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.  
JONATHAN MILLER, chair and CEO of AOL division of AOL-Time-Warner  
NEIL SHAPIRO, president of NBC News  
JEFF GASPIN, Executive Vice-President, Programming, NBC  
DAVID WESTIN, president of ABC News  
SUMNER REDSTONE, CEO of Viacom, "world's biggest media giant" (Economist, 11/23/2) owns Viacom cable, CBS and MTVs all over the world, Blockbuster video rentals and Black Entertainment TV.  
MICHAEL EISNER, major owner of Walt Disney, Capitol Cities, ABC.  
RUPERT MURDOCH, Owner Fox TV, New York Post, London Times, News of the World (Jewish mother)  
MEL KARMAZIN, president of CBS  
DON HEWITT, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes, CBS  
JEFF FAGER, Exec. Director, 60 Minutes II. CBS  
DAVID POLTRACK, Executive Vice-President, Research and Planning, CBS  
SANDY KRUSHOW, Chair, Fox Entertainment  
LLOYD BRAUN, Chair, ABC Entertainment  
BARRY MEYER, chair, Warner Bros.  
SHERRY LANSING. President of Paramount Communications and Chairman of Paramount Pictures' Motion Picture Group.  
HARVEY WEINSTEIN, CEO. Miramax Films.  
BRAD SIEGEL., President, Turner Entertainment.  
PETER CHERNIN, second in-command at Rupert Murdoch's News. Corp., owner of Fox TV  
MARTY PERETZ, owner and publisher of the New Republic, which openly identifies itself as pro-Israel. Al Gore credits Marty with being his "mentor."  
ARTHUR O. SULZBERGER, JR., publisher of the NY Times, the Boston Globe and other publications.  
WILLIAM SAFIRE, syndicated columnist for the NYT.  
TOM FRIEDMAN, syndicated columnist for the NYT.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post. Honored by Honest Reporting.com, website monitoring "anti-Israel media."  
RICHARD COHEN, syndicated columnist for the Washington Post  
JEFF JACOBY, syndicated columnist for the Boston Globe  
NORMAN ORNSTEIN, American Enterprise Inst., regular columnist for USA Today, news analyst for CBS, and co-chair with Leslie Moonves of the Advisory Committee on Public Interest Obligation of Digital TV Producers, appointed by Clinton.  
ARIE FLEISCHER, Dubya's press secretary.  
STEPHEN EMERSON, every media outlet's first choice as an expert on domestic terrorism.  
DAVID SCHNEIDERMAN, owner of the Village Voice and the New Times network of "alternative weeklies."  
DENNIS LEIBOWITZ, head of Act II Partners, a media hedge fund  
KENNETH POLLACK, for CIA analysts, director of Saban Center for Middle East Policy, writes op-eds in NY Times, New Yorker  
BARRY DILLER, chair of USA Interactive, former owner of Universal Entertainment  
KENNETH ROTH, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch  
RICHARD LEIBNER, runs the N.S. Bienstock talent agency, which represents 600 news personalities such as Dan Rather, Dianne Sawyer and Bill O'Reilly.  
TERRY SEMEL, CEO, Yahoo, former chair, Warner Bros.  
MARK GOLIN, VP and Creative Director, AOL  
WARREN LIEBERFORD, Pres., Warner Bros. Home Video Div. of AOL- TimeWarner  
JEFFREY ZUCKER, President of NBC Entertainment  
JACK MYERS, NBC, chief.NYT 5.14.2  
SANDY GRUSHOW, chair of Fox Entertainment  
GAIL BERMAN, president of Fox Entertainment  
STEPHEN SPIELBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks  
JEFFREY KATZENBERG, co-owner of Dreamworks  
DAVID GEFFEN, co-owner of Dreamworks  
LLYOD BRAUN, chair of ABC Entertainment  
JORDAN LEVIN, president of Warner Bros. Entertainment  
MAX MUTCHNICK, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"  
DAVID KOHAN, co-executive producer of NBC's "Good Morning Miami"  
HOWARD STRINGER, chief of Sony Corp. of America  
AMY PASCAL, chair of Columbia Pictures  
JOEL KLEIN, chair and CEO of Bertelsmann's American operations  
ROBERT SILLERMAN, founder of Clear Channel Communications  
BRIAN GRADEN, president of MTV entertainment  
IVAN SEIDENBERG, CEO of Verizon Communications  
WOLF BLITZER, host of CNN's Late Edition
LARRY KING, host of Larry King Live  
TED KOPPEL, host of ABC's Nightline  
ANDREA KOPPEL, CNN Reporter
PAULA ZAHN, CNN Host  
MIKE WALLACE, Host of CBS, 60 Minutes  
BARBARA WALTERS, Host, ABC's 20-20  
MICHAEL LEDEEN, editor of National Review  
BRUCE NUSSBAUM, editorial page editor, Business Week  
DONALD GRAHAM, Chair and CEO of Newsweek, Washington Post,  
CATHERINE GRAHAM MEYER, former owner of the Washington Post  
HOWARD FINEMAN, Chief Political Columnist, Newsweek  
WILLIAM KRISTOL, Editor, Weekly Standard, Exec. Director
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)  
RON ROSENTHAL, Managing Editor, San Francisco Chronicle  
PHIL BRONSTEIN, Executive Editor, San Francisco Chronicle,  
RON OWENS, Talk Show Host, KGO
JOHN ROTHMAN, Talk Show Host, KGO (ABC-Capitol Cities  
MICHAEL SAVAGE, Talk Show Host, KFSO (ABC-Capitol
MICHAEL MEDVED, Talk Show Host, on 124 AM stations  
DENNIS PRAGER, Talk Show Host  
BEN WATTENBERG, Moderator, PBS Think Tank.  

And the list continues..

mantra wrote on May 13^th, 2009 at 9:29am:




mantra,

If the ppl on that list are all Jews, and are at the head of successful businesses, aren't yer sorta making my case for me?

i.e.
That [if a God exists!!] many Jews are blessed by God.
[.....not that i believe that of course.]         

Or are all of these ppl just shifty, wily Jews who cheated their way to their success, and are servants of SATAN?




How the Jews shall go in the world, all prophesied around 1400 BC....

Numbers 23:7
And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel.
8  How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD hath not defied?
9  For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo,

the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations

.



How the Jews shall go in the world, all prophesied around 1400 BC....

Deuteronomy 29:24
Even all nations shall say, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? what meaneth the heat of this great anger?
25  Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:
26  For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them:
27  And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in this book:
28 

And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger

, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.
29  The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Deuteronomy 30:1
And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,