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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #195 - May 17^th, 2009 at 4:18pm

mantra wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 8:43am:

I've got no idea which sect you belong to, nor do I care Soren, but your malicious stance on those who don't agree with you indicates your lack of tolerance and bitterness. Like Calanen - you attack the person, not the argument - an obvious sign of a weak person who has a limited thinking process.

Yeah pot kettle black - who called me an angry unemployed drunk that needed medication huh? I guess that was just responding to my arguments.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #196 - May 17^th, 2009 at 4:34pm

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You are 100% right abu,but, Muslims and Jews are just the same many of them do just as "they"like.
All religion is evil abu, you and soren should repent your evil ways.

Although I can understand the position you're coming from, as I once held a fairly similar view, the reality is it's just not the case. I don't think Islam nor Judaism are unrealistic, nor promoting a false, unattainable ideal. You can live life as a Muslim, because Islam doesn't claim to be things that completely contradict human nature. Sure it's a little strict, and takes some work, but it's certainly not unattainable.

There's plenty of examples of this, such as celibacy amongst clergy, no such concept exists in either Islam nor Judaism. Only Christianity ever made such an unattainable and unnatural constraint on it's adherents. Divorce is another which comes to mind. There's plenty more examples. This is a characteristic which seems to be distinct to Christianity. I can't think of another major world religion which operates in the same way.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact Islam and Judaism both model the conduct of their adherents on a prophet (regular human being), not on a supposed manifestation of God. When a manifestation of God is your supposed example, then of course the goal is unattainable. Kind of like judging an apple by how good an orange it is.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #198 - May 17^th, 2009 at 7:14pm Quote: I can do well without and be perfectly honourable person? Like Matthew Johns you mean? People are by default easily misguided, and therefore they need some guidance, a role model if you will. There's no doubting this.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #199 - May 17^th, 2009 at 8:51pm abu - a role model ?? Like the warlord assassainating mohammad as you choose?? Far cough you discriminating propandagantist kind make us sick
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Reply #200 - May 17^th, 2009 at 9:06pm

No, the kind generous and wise Muhammad (pbuh) who you wouldn't know of, since all your info is from biased anti-Islamic propaganda sources.

But anyway I was speaking generally, human beings need role models... surely you can agree to this fact sprint? Try not to divert it into a cheap attack on the religious figures of others. I'm sure Jesus (pbuh) would not have taught you to behave in this way, would he?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #201 - May 17^th, 2009 at 9:24pm did your "spiritual leader" marry aisha and fu-ck her or not ? did the same paedophile support and congratulate assassainations ? these are not rhetorical questions. I want 2 yes/no answers
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Reply #202 - May 18^th, 2009 at 3:11am

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But anyway I was speaking generally, human beings need role models... surely you can agree to this fact sprint? Try not to divert it into a cheap attack on the religious figures of others.

Yes we do need role models Abu - something sadly lacking in our society. To us atheists, religion isn't the answer although many of us do try and adopt Christian values into our every day life. Sometimes it seems the atheists are more Christian than those who claim to be Christians. It's easier to avoid being confused by organised religion.

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Yeah pot kettle black - who called me an angry unemployed drunk that needed medication huh?

I didn't accuse you of being all that Calanen - I only inferred you were!

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Reply #203 - May 18^th, 2009 at 9:31am

Abu displays all the self awareness we expect to see from religious zealots, and zealots they most definitely are, when they interpret ancient hearsay as direct instructions from a supreme controlling power, and yet he falls for running down matty johns for going the train on a girl who was up for it, until seven years after the fact, but not his poobah prohet whose lifestyle would see him jailed in every nation on earth, if he tried it on today.

That is no example I will ever follow.

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OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!

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Reply #204 - May 18^th, 2009 at 9:39am

Abu seems like a perfectly reasonable fella.

I've yet to see him be antagonistic, arrogant, or mean to anyone. And he should be. Seeing as he gets targeted for everybody's bullcrap and people think it's ok to mock and demean his faith, his race, his national origins...

Everyone just expects the negro to put his head through the noose.

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #205 - May 18^th, 2009 at 9:43am

abu_rashid wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 7:14pm:

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I can do well without and be perfectly honourable person?

Like Matthew Johns you mean?

People are by default easily misguided, and therefore they need some guidance, a role model if you will. There's no doubting this.

Well I think Matthew Johns wins in the honour stakes. His girl was 19. Mohammed preferred marrying a 6 year old and sleeping with her when she was 9. That's your role model.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Reply #206 - May 18^th, 2009 at 9:48am

Nope, he is not reasonable, otherwise he would not accept the wrongs that his religion contains, and just accept false justifications that a child could see through.

Same goes for all zealots, like Yadda for the other team, the loony christians, they are all wired wrong, their bullshit detectors just don't work properly, and they believe all the crap they are fed, where normal folk react by saying, smells bad, it's brown, and it just fell out of a bovine's butt, that is Bull Sh1t, but if some preacher tells them it is a holy turd, they will kneel and pray to it.

They aren't wired right.

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OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #207 - May 18^th, 2009 at 10:13am mozzaok - I think the vast majority of christians think churches/christians have done "bad" stuff. does that reduce the looniness of said christians ? Or are we still all destined for the loony bin ?
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Reply #208 - May 18^th, 2009 at 10:39am

Islamic schools are places of islamist indoctrination... a good reason not to allow them.

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The strength of the family unit is also a defence. The father is the shepherd of the household and like any other shepherd he should protect his flock from the wolves. In this case the wolves are the Kuffar, and the protection is to pass the knowledge ont o the children and his wives. The children should be provided with a sound Islamic education outside of their schooling. This is imperative if the children are to be strong enough to avoid the many pitfalls they w ill face. They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w.) and that all else must be judged against these two noble criterion.

Finally there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.

It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that o f fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim lan d whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.

Ah yes... another product of Multiculti and the results are disharmony and separatism ie social incohesion/cultural apartheid

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #209 - May 18^th, 2009 at 11:20am

grendel -

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They should be taught that the only truth in this world is the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet

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Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim lan d whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.

abu - could you comment on this extreme intolerance coming from YOUR beliefs ???

Could the islamic apologetics also read this and consider their position ??

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