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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #15 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 6:12am

Calanen wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:14pm:

Except..they're not the same at all.

How about I re-invent the Nazi party, and call it my religion, because God told me to implement those policies - but you can't criticise any of those policies, well, because its my religion.

A cult is not a religion...

Sooner or later, supporters of the Evangelical Sisterhood of Mary and the Knights who say 'Ni' will be personified by the archetypal white trash brigade, then hyjacked by them and will require censure.

Arguing for discrimination based on race or religion is a lost cause in modern secular Australia.

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #16 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 9:39am

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A cult is not a religion...

Who defines what is a cult or a religion? You it seems. I am not sure why it matters.

Islam is a supremacist ideology that is a perfect system, for conquering all others around it with what I call the 'water on the stone' method. A dripping tap on granite, how could it possibly destroy the granite? Over a long period of time, that is exactly what it will do. We also know that the people who have put the dripping tap on the granite, have done so for exactly the purpose of its destruction.

They tell us so themselves, but if we take them seriously as to what their own goals are, we are 'Islamophobes' apparently. All four schools of Islamic thought, not weirdo misunderstander schools, all four mainstream regular schools of Islam, require the destruction of ALL OTHER FORMS OF GOVERNMENT save sharia, with the use of violence through jihad. They all require sharia be imposed and the jews and christians live under Islamic overlords.

All of them.

This school that is being built, is of the type that requires you to mindlessly recite the Koran thousands and thousands of times.

The Churches hit the nail right on the head:

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Camden is increasingly becoming a multicultural community, but when one part of the community seeks to dominate the public space, as we have seen in Auburn, Bankstown, Lakemba and more recently Liverpool, the social impact is unacceptable," says the letter, which was read at the Quranic Society's appeal to the Land and Environment Court yesterday.

Why do they do this? Because - Islam says - that any area occupied by muslims, comes under the ownership of Islam, the ummah and allah - until judgment day. So it is your duty to drive out people to expand your area. The move into Camden is a move into further areas.

Eventualy, when there are enough areas joined - they will say - we desire self-rule under sharia law, just for our areas. They are muslim after all. What? You say no dirty kuffah - it's time for jihad then because we are so persecuted.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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Re: Churches oppose Islamic school
Reply #17 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 11:23am

Calanen wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 10:14pm:

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Discrimination based on religion and discrimination based on race are essentially the same

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You've bought into that deception [helian], I haven't.

Calanen,

Exactly so.

So many [non-muslims] in this world today seem 'blind', to the fact that it is base ISLAMIC doctrines and ISLAMIC values, which are motivating, acts of evil, and violence worldwide, in front of their eyes on a daily basis.

Acts of evil, and violence, which are being perpetrated by REAL
muslims.

Yet these naive ppl among us seem unable to 'connect the dots', and seem unable to associate individual muslims [among us], with what ISLAMIC philosophy represents?

If you take the time to study ISLAM just a little, you will discover that ISLAM behaves in the world, it acts the part, of a violent, supremacist political philosophy.

Again, ISLAM behaves in the world, as if it were A POLITICAL PARTY.

And not as a 'religion'.

If you have doubts about this, consider,
ISLAMIC LAWS ARE NOT ABOUT THE PASSIVE, INTROSPECTIVE WORSHIP, OF A SUPREME BEING.

Dictionary,
introspection = = the examination of one’s own thoughts or feelings.

ISLAMIC laws, are all about the direction [by a few men, clerics] of worldly, secular, RAW political power.

And....
ISLAM = = PURE EVIL.

Why are so many ppl among us, so unwilling to associate the evil and violence which is perpetrated by muslims,
.....WITH MUSLIMS, AND WITH ISLAM????

The evil and violence, which is being perpetrated by ppl claiming to BE muslims!

And all the while the [lying
] muslims among us appear to disassociate themselves with from 'other' violent muslims, who are categorised [by them] as 'NOT REAL MUSLIMS'.

But that is precisely what ISLAMIC doctrine tells them to do - TO LIE TO THE 'UNBELIEVERS', UNTIL MUSLIMS COME TO POWER, OVER THE 'UNBELIEVERS'.

Then, when muslims come to power,
......they will reveal who they really are,
......and what their values really are.

Q.
Who are these REAL muslims, how can we know them, today?

Q.
What are their real ISLAMIC values?

A.
Look today, at how non-muslims are treated, within Sharia jurisdictions!

Somehow these naive ppl [non-muslims] seem to believe that, it is unjust to associate muslims [muslims who they may daily associate with?], with the evil of ISLAM!

They [these naive ppl] seem INCAPABLE of making a judgement, that the lives of ALL muslims, are intricately entwined with the evil philosophy ISLAM, and that it is ISLAM's values, which motivate their lives.

Instead, these naive ppl [non-muslims] associate CRITICISM, and RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT of evil [ISLAM], as a form of 'intolerance'.

What is happening?

These naive ppl have no power to come to judgement, against evil.

Why is that?

Why is it, that these ppl find it so difficult, to discern between GOOD and EVIL in their midst?

It truly amazes, and astounds me.

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"......You know nothing about Islam helian, just like your mates mantra and moazaak."

I not so sure, that, that statement is true / accurate.

But what amazes me is the unwillingness of many to acknowledge the TRUTH [the TRUTH about muslims, and the philosophy which really, really, motivates muslim lives, and empowers the values which muslims express in the world].

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Reply #18 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 11:51am

More opposition, good to see.

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AN Islamic school in Camden would be "a breeding ground for terrorists", says a resident who gave evidence in support of Camden Council at an appeal against its decision to block the school.
Judith Bond said the school would teach war and how to kill.
"Values of violence will be emphasised. It will be a breeding ground for terrorists … There will be a surge of gang rapes, looting and attacking infidels," Ms Bond said.
Camden residents presented evidence via DVD at the second day of a hearing to decide whether the $19 million Islamic school should be built on the outskirts of the town south-west of Sydney.
The area's Christian values were threatened by the proposal, said another resident, John Waterhouse, who warned Christmas decorations and nativity scenes would be "pulled down or withdrawn on some sort of process of religious nit-picking".
Describing Camden as "the mouse that dared to roar", he said he did not want prayer mats unrolled in shops or "[our] teenage daughters subjected to demeaning taunts wearing jeans, shorts or T-shirts".
Another resident, Kate McCullogh, who was compared with Pauline Hanson when she addressed a meeting last year wearing an Akubra hat decorated with Australian flags, said she was "no redneck xenophobic racist like the media have put to me".
"Let's start making people understand that the Western way of life is the best way of life," she said.
Other residents' objections were based on urban planning matters, including traffic flow and proximity to working farms.
Until now, Camden Council has largely distanced itself from ideological justifications for blocking the development application for a 900-student school. When it voted unanimously to reject the project last May, it did so "on planning grounds alone".
But on the opening day of the appeal to the Land and Environment Court on Tuesday, council's barrister, Craig Leggat, SC, opened his evidence with a letter signed by a group of the region's Christian leaders, who said Islam was an ideology with a plan for world domination.
The Reverend Fred Nile, leader of the Christian Democratic Party and an outspoken critic of the school, said the signatories had his full support.
None of the church leaders responded to the Herald's calls yesterday. The hearing continues today.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/islamic-school-would-breed-terrorists-resident-20...

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Reply #19 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:12pm

And we're off...

Ms Bond, a brigade of Christians with a religious objection to a competing religion in their midst and a Ms Katie McCollugh, (wants the world to know she ain't no redneck xenophobic racist... and that whiteness be rightness)... and, of course, old Freddie Nile.

Notice the Camden Council were careful to reject the application on planning grounds alone... seems the council knows where this is going to lead.

What's the bet that if this grabs major headlines Camden will be dubbed the white trash county of New South... or something along those lines.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #20 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:31pm yes, we're off. This could be exciting. The reasomns for the opposition are unrelated to whoever anyone wants to pray to. Will be interesting to see where this leads to helian. Take care
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Reply #21 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:39pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:12pm:

And we're off...

Ms Bond, a brigade of Christians with a religious objection to a competing religion in their midst and a Ms Katie McCollugh, (wants the world to know she ain't no redneck xenophobic racist.
.. and that whiteness be rightness)... and, of course, old Freddie Nile.

Notice the Camden Council were careful to reject the application on planning grounds alone... seems the council knows where this is going to lead.

What's the bet that if this grabs major headlines Camden will be dubbed the white trash county of New South... or something along those lines.

Absolutely nothing wrong with ISLAM, is there helian?

The local problem is just a symptom of those intolerant Christian 'xenophobes' in Camden.
/sarc off

Like i said [above].....

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What is happening?

These naive ppl have no power to come to judgement, against evil.

Why is that?

Why is it, that these ppl find it so difficult, to discern between GOOD and EVIL in their midst?

It truly amazes, and astounds me.

......what amazes me is the unwillingness of many to acknowledge the TRUTH [the TRUTH about muslims, and the philosophy which really, really, motivates muslim lives, and empowers the values which muslims express in the world].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #22 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51pm Keep it streaming Yadda... The more of your kind of frenzied rhetoric, the surer the success of the Muslim cause. Think on about why the Camden Council are keeping this as a planning issue only.
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Reply #23 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51pm:

Keep it streaming Yadda... The more of your kind of frenzied rhetoric, the surer the success of the Muslim cause.

Think on about why the Camden Council are keeping this as a planning issue only.

helian,

Think on this.....

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Want good 'outcomes' in this world?
Always seek, and support, free and open TRUTH.

"Israel slur fear forces boycott"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1240182348/6#6

helian,

It is not rocket science [the consequence of seeking TRUTH].

But today, so many ppl HATE THE TRUTH.

Are fearful of it.

And, why is that?

Why can't the TRUTH about ISLAM be confronted???

Why, will so few ppl among us, confront that TRUTH?????

Come now,

You can speak for them helian.

Enlighten this 'fool', please.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #24 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:28pm Yes... the truth... And how many have laid claim to knowing it... Any attempt to define it is doomed to define something less than what it is. Truth is wordless, Yadda.
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Reply #25 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:29pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 12:51pm:

Keep it streaming Yadda... The more of your kind of frenzied rhetoric, the surer the success of the Muslim cause.

Think on about why the Camden Council are keeping this as a planning issue only.

helian,
The 'clever' machinations of men, get intrigue, and CORRUPTION.

Dictionary,
machinate = = engage in plots and intrigues; scheme.

Free and open TRUTH, gets, establishes, justice.

And peace will come to abide, alongside justice [i.e. where justice is established].

Want PEACE?

Seek and support free and open TRUTH.

Like i said, it isn't rocket science.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #26 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:44pm Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:29pm: Like i said, it isn't rocket science. And to think philosophers have pursued truth for 2500 years and still the quest continues... What a pity you weren't born in 500 BC... could've saved humanity a couple of millennia. Truth is indefinable... wordless.
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Reply #27 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:58pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:44pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 1:29pm:

Like i said, it isn't rocket science.

And to think philosophers have pursued truth for 2500 years and still the quest continues... What a pity you weren't born in 500 BC... could've saved humanity a couple of millennia.

Truth is indefinable... wordless.

Trite deflection.

What ISLAM 'speaks', is not TRUTH,

'ISLAM is the religion of peace.'

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'

Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023681.php#c602782

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Want PEACE?

Seek and support free and open TRUTH.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #28 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:05pm Keep it coming, Yadda... You're Camden's Qurannic Society's secret weapon.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21939 A cat with a view	Re: Churches oppose Islamic school Reply #29 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:21pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 2:05pm: Keep it coming, Yadda... You're Camden's Qurannic Society's secret weapon. helian, No. It is people like yourself helian, who are ISLAM's greatest allies in the West. People who will not confront the TRUTH about ISLAM, and its values, its violence.
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